Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Saw this on another site, to be honest it's something I hadn't even considered, so focused on the war that effects of outcomes other than a Russian defeat didn't even cross my mind

Question: If Russia wins in Ukraine, will it mean that Russia has defeated the United States?

IF, then yes. And not only US, but the West in general.

Sure, one can make all kind of excuses… like with Afghanistan withdrawal. But the reality will be that a coalition of Iran, North Korea and Russia (not even China) has defeated the efforts of the West… economically and militarily.

Globally this will be accepted as a defeat. The consequences will be enormous.

If somebody thinks that we can get things back to pre-2022 state in this way, they are deeply mistaken. The World after will have nothing to do with the World you remember pre-COVID.

Makes the games the Republicans are playing seem extra stupid.
 
Saw this on another site, to be honest it's something I hadn't even considered, so focused on the war that effects of outcomes other than a Russian defeat didn't even cross my mind



Makes the games the Republicans are playing seem extra stupid.

They don't care as long as they have their money.

That and getting dictator trump in.

Imagine if Russia wins and trump wins...scary times.
 
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Saw this on another site, to be honest it's something I hadn't even considered, so focused on the war that effects of outcomes other than a Russian defeat didn't even cross my mind



Makes the games the Republicans are playing seem extra stupid.
I mean the reality is no, its not a defeat of the west, especially considering that we've effectively been making Ukraine fight with a hand behind tied behind its back and trickle feeding our cast offs. However, I'm not sure the reality matters in this case. In those countries will be spun as a victory if that was the outcome and the West would spend the next decade and millions of £/$/€ on investigations and enquiries whilst falling over each other to point the finger of blame.
 
They don't care as long as they have their money.

That and getting dictator trump in.

Imagine if Russia wins and trump wins...scary times.
Lol dictator trump. Somebody's been sipping the liberal media kool aid

Anyway I hope if trump does win he doesn't drop support for Ukraine. That would be a disaster
 
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I have to wonder if the US defence industry has made the cynical calculation there is more money from Ukraine being over-run and Europe having to look to the defences on its east, than in having Ukraine push Russia back...

One thing is for certain the costs of supporting Ukraine with things like ramping up artillery shell production to wartime levels, etc. will be a fraction compared to what it'll cost if Ukraine falls and it will have a huge impact on the US economy as well as the priorities and security situation in Europe shifts fundamentally.
 
Saw this on another site, to be honest it's something I hadn't even considered, so focused on the war that effects of outcomes other than a Russian defeat didn't even cross my mind



Makes the games the Republicans are playing seem extra stupid.

The Republican party might beat the United States.
 
Lol dictator trump. Somebody's been sipping the liberal media kool aid

Anyway I hope if trump does win he doesn't drop support for Ukraine. That would be a disaster

He was a heartbeat away from dictatorship. Even after the failed overthrow he still claims the election and system is rigged and he is the rightful king of America. The chap is loopy.
 
He was a heartbeat away from dictatorship. Even after the failed overthrow he still claims the election and system is rigged and he is the rightful king of America. The chap is loopy.
The issue comes with the sad fact that the most bright up coming "replacement" for trump is a full on Russian stooge. He's already stated his outright opposition of Ukrainian aid and "respect" for Putin. He sings the right tune for the typical Republican masses and has already got a lot of support from the typical right wing media, conservative content creators alike, and were not talking extremes here. He's very convincing on some of his arguments its scary. Taps right in to the right chords, proper silver tounge! I genuinely expect that Ramswamy will be the 24 Republican candidate not Trump.
 
I think the **** trump talks and the **** trump does are 3 different things.

If Biden et al were truly committed the current response would be tripple. It's election time, all the issues will go on a back burner until that result is out.

Hopefully Ukraine soldiers on till then.

You guys/we should start looking to an EU only coalition. Sabres are rattling. The paymaster of NATOs purse strings are tightening. It's time for 5%gdp military spending....etc
 
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I have to wonder if the US defence industry has made the cynical calculation there is more money from Ukraine being over-run and Europe having to look to the defences on its east, than in having Ukraine push Russia back...

One thing is for certain the costs of supporting Ukraine with things like ramping up artillery shell production to wartime levels, etc. will be a fraction compared to what it'll cost if Ukraine falls and it will have a huge impact on the US economy as well as the priorities and security situation in Europe shifts fundamentally.
Everything comes down to money in the end. There was a good chance of Ukraine pushing Russia back and giving them a bloody nose, but I'm starting to think that's not going to happen now. All Putin has to do is keep throwing men in. It really does look like the west will blink first.
 
It the drip feeding that been the problem oh no you cant have tanks and then eventually you can etc, also last year I even said it here when it first started dropping the military aid reduced in cost size another problem.

And finally as above the manpower issue Russia just keeps throwing men at it, if we all gave Ukraine everything from the start they might of been in a far better place now.
 
Im not so sure, the Ukrainians needed training on a lot of the western kit, giving them everything straight off was just going to be wasted. With the US faltering in their support right now, Germany has said they will step up its aid recently, I dont see the UK and others having the same problems getting funding greenlit for them neither.
It seems that the US are giving the most military aid but the EU is by far giving more financial aid which is just as crucial as it means they can buy exactly what they need rather than whats sat dusty on everyone elses shelves. source on military vs financial aid by country etc: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
 
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From US defence secretary Austin: Over the coming years the US and it's allies will supply Ukraine wwith enough equipment so that its military capabilities will deter any future Russian aggression
 
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Didn't see this mentioned here

Navalny has just magicaly 'disappeared' from Prison after Putin said he would run for office again

Despite his political position I have some sympathy for him as know one deserves to be treated like this but on the other hand it was very foolish of him to go back to Russia after being poisoned. What did he think was going happen to him?
 
Im not so sure, the Ukrainians needed training on a lot of the western kit, giving them everything straight off was just going to be wasted. With the US faltering in their support right now, Germany has said they will step up its aid recently, I dont see the UK and others having the same problems getting funding greenlit for them neither.
It seems that the US are giving the most military aid but the EU is by far giving more financial aid which is just as crucial as it means they can buy exactly what they need rather than whats sat dusty on everyone elses shelves. source on military vs financial aid by country etc: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Unfortunately right after Germany announced that they were increasing military aid next year a German court ruled that the governments budget was illegal as it broke spending rules. So savings will have to be made and some of that might be the aid to Ukraine.
 
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