Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Grim5]

Russians using a $5 million missile that's designed to shoot down $40 million aircraft to instead attack civilian apartments..

To be honest though, given how many s400's have been destroyed by storm shadows, maybe using s400 missiles for offence is more effective for them

https://twitter.com/x/status/1734823829636059582

 

[Grim5]

Zelensky held press conference with Biden

Zelensky said for 2024 they have 3 main goals to work towards for the war.

1) Improving air defence

2) Attempting to establish air dominance

3) New capabilities to hit Russian supplies deep behind the front lines

 

[Uther]

If America doesn't sort its **** out then Zelensky won't be getting much more from them.

 

[rumple9]

Meanwhile Trump is soaring ahead in the polls

 

[Hook]

Ultimately, straw poll. This is gonna really get me some hate....

I would rather see Ukraine fall than Britain/Sweden, being bombed in a ww3 type way and i dont think a single person here would disagree (obv not sweden) and if you do id love to read why just kicking the Russian problem can further up the road for another ten years wouldn't be preferable...
Britains in no shape to defend herself... Sweden's a joke... Mind you i dont think Russia is in a great way to attack either so its all just babble.

Ten years up the road, hmm.
"I'd rather let Putin have Gotland than risk Britain being bombed in WW3." (Turky/Hungary didn't approve Sweden for Nato after Ukraine fell and Moldova fell a mentally unstable looking Putin wants some more non Nato stuff before he bites the dust)

 

[Semple]

Haven't followed much of the Ukraine/Russia war after the Israel/Hamas war took over the headlines.

But reading this morning about zelenksys visit to the US to try and secure a bigger aid deal doesn't sound very hopeful. I wonder if the US are getting a bit frustrated with the lack of progress a $50bn package has yielded. At that rate it'll cost trillions for Ukraine to claim back all their land.

With a shortage of soldiers Ukraine are also facing I think they realistically need to come up with an endgame that has a compromise on both sides. As it stands I'm very doubtful that they'll be reclaiming every piece of land that Russia has taken.

 

[henson0115]

You know what’s crazy?

If we took todays politics with crazy maga republicans, the general shift of the American right and others in the west and plopped them back in ww2…

They would be spouting about how the holocaust is not real it’s being made up and is propaganda. They would be pulling all the same sorts of grift and support for the likes of hitler too .

It’s actually so crazy how traitorous these political grifters have become and how stupid the people that swallow the Russian copeganda are.

you say that, but a lot of americans at the time actually said that in ww2, the general public wanted nothing to do with eu problems.
there are many examples of this that you can find, there are even documentaries where there is people in it from the us talking about this.

 

[Efour]

Isolationist America coming back seems unlikely as they love having their fingers in everything but its certainly a possibility.

Wars in Europe are nothing new.... Its amazing we've been able to keep relative peace for so long but there's still been several minor conflicts.

 

[Thekwango]

Wars in Europe are nothing new.... Its amazing we've been able to keep relative peace for so long but there's still been several minor conflicts.

Aye, despite our technological advances, as a species we’ve still not evolved beyond our tribal, barbaric origins.

 

[randal]

you say that, but a lot of americans at the time actually said that in ww2, the general public wanted nothing to do with eu problems.
there are many examples of this that you can find, there are even documentaries where there is people in it from the us talking about this.

Ironically the Americans were too worried about Communism at the start of WW2 (hell the UK was too), paralysed with fear that Communists would infiltrate the US and the ideology would transform the US into Russia the USSR.

Amazingly the far right in the US think that Democratic Socialism is closer to Communism, seemingly no longer equating Russia to Communism - quite a feat.

(Yes, I know that Russia is technically no longer a Communist country since the days of Gorbachev but given the current state of Russia's interior it certainly feels like they want to be back in those heady days of production.)

 

[EddScott]

With a shortage of soldiers Ukraine are also facing I think they realistically need to come up with an endgame that has a compromise on both sides.

I suspect this is Trumps master plan to end the war in 24 hours. The captured parts of UA becomes a DMZ or NATO buffer. The rest of UA gets fast tracked into EU and NATO.

Saves lives, secures the remainder of UA, puts Zelenskyy in a terrible position and many would never forgive him.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Plus proves to fascist states that if you invade your neighbour and commit war crimes - then you can get to keep the land.

Bodes well for Taiwan, which seems to be quite important to America.

 

[Orangeade]

Haven't followed much of the Ukraine/Russia war after the Israel/Hamas war took over the headlines.

But reading this morning about zelenksys visit to the US to try and secure a bigger aid deal doesn't sound very hopeful. I wonder if the US are getting a bit frustrated with the lack of progress a $50bn package has yielded. At that rate it'll cost trillions for Ukraine to claim back all their land.

With a shortage of soldiers Ukraine are also facing I think they realistically need to come up with an endgame that has a compromise on both sides. As it stands I'm very doubtful that they'll be reclaiming every piece of land that Russia has taken.

The real metric here that is closely hidden is the number of fatalities and injuries on the Ukrainian side. If they are as low as they are claiming (lol, every time they defend they apparently have 9:1 success as is traditional....everytime they attack apparently they magic and it switches) then it makes sense to carry on the support. The issue would be if they have suffered significantly more then money and aid becomes increasingly irrelevant.

I suspect this is Trumps master plan to end the war in 24 hours. The captured parts of UA becomes a DMZ or NATO buffer. The rest of UA gets fast tracked into EU and NATO.

Saves lives, secures the remainder of UA, puts Zelenskyy in a terrible position and many would never forgive him.

Zelensky will never be forgiven if it was known that a compromise was always the outcome or that loss was the outcome. Because then he will have sent hundreds of thousands of his own to a needless death.

(And before harpy screeching starts about just giving up, I've no issue with defending oneself if they really thought there was a chance. But for people conscripted they have to trust their leader and time will show this.).

 

[supafly]

The US is proving to be a terrible ally to rely on. Their collective brains have been pickled since the advent of social media. We know what Russia and China wants, what next for soon to be re-elected dictator Trump, the Greenland special operation? And where does Europe mostly buy it's Military equipment from, the Americans.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

The real metric here that is closely hidden is the number of fatalities and injuries on the Ukrainian side. If they are as low as they are claiming (lol, every time they defend they apparently have 9:1 success as is traditional....everytime they attack apparently they magic and it switches) then it makes sense to carry on the support. The issue would be if they have suffered significantly more then money and aid becomes increasingly irrelevant.



Zelensky will never be forgiven if it was known that a compromise was always the outcome or that loss was the outcome. Because then he will have sent hundreds of thousands of his own to a needless death.

(And before harpy screeching starts about just giving up, I've no issue with defending oneself if they really thought there was a chance. But for people conscripted they have to trust their leader and time will show this.).

No one could ever say with any certainty the outcome of war. Simply its impossible to predict.
Does the conflict remain local, or escalate etc

Almost every war ever has ended up in some state of compromise. They very rarely, if ever, end in a massive and complete military victory.
Check "suing for peace"

 

[Freakbro]

Plus proves to fascist states that if you invade your neighbour and commit war crimes - then you can get to keep the land.

Bodes well for Taiwan, which seems to be quite important to America.

And this was at the basis of my musings yesterday about the West going in themselves and kicking the Russians out.

It's no secret the balance of power in the world is shifting, with other players namely China (and the BRICs group) having an eye on the prize of being one of the worlds superpowers and trading groups. So if Putin wins in Ukraine that's only going to embolden the totalitarian/fascist/dictatorship states with their view of Western weakness.

Hence I'm not a fan of the kick the can down the road for another 10 years @Efour doctrine Though I understand Russia havign nukes is the issue, but we've crossed every red line Putin has put up so far and we're still here.

Maybe I'm being a bit idealistic, but I don't see why nuclear war would be an option over the war in Ukraine when there's no existential threat to Russia itself. But then, not every actor in this game plays rationally.

 

[henson0115]

Maybe I'm being a bit idealistic, but I don't see why nuclear war would be an option over the war in Ukraine when there's no existential threat to Russia itself. But then, not every actor in this game plays rationally.

putin likes to play poker? i think the threat of nukes by russia was more of a way of trying to stop others from getting involved to be fair.

 

[Stretch]

Zelensky will never be forgiven if it was known that a compromise was always the outcome or that loss was the outcome. Because then he will have sent hundreds of thousands of his own to a needless death.

You can never know that. “Loss” is also never black or white. Often showing others that you are prepared to fight is enough to ensure that you are not the easy target this or next time around.

Zelensky’s intention was to provide leadership that others could coalesce around.

The naysayers were/are the weak link.

 

[Quartz]

Mystery as deputy editor of Putin's 'favourite newspaper' found dead aged 35

Her death comes a year after her former boss also died in mysterious circumstances.

metro.co.uk

Strangely this one may actually be natural causes.

 

[Semple]

I suspect this is Trumps master plan to end the war in 24 hours. The captured parts of UA becomes a DMZ or NATO buffer. The rest of UA gets fast tracked into EU and NATO.

Saves lives, secures the remainder of UA, puts Zelenskyy in a terrible position and many would never forgive him.

I guess the question that needs to be asked of Ukrainians is what do they want for the future of their country. It seems to have been pretty clear that the far Eastern side of Ukraine are very pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine, do they want to be wasting Ukrainian lives to claim back land that the people living on it want nothing to do with Ukraine.

I fully accept it sets a very bad precedent, but I honestly don't see any favourable outcome for Ukraine. Had their pushback been much more successful then I think they would have significantly more support. At this rate it's just become a stalemate and turning into war exhaustion - attempting to hold out longer than the opposition.

The real metric here that is closely hidden is the number of fatalities and injuries on the Ukrainian side. If they are as low as they are claiming (lol, every time they defend they apparently have 9:1 success as is traditional....everytime they attack apparently they magic and it switches) then it makes sense to carry on the support. The issue would be if they have suffered significantly more then money and aid becomes increasingly irrelevant.



Zelensky will never be forgiven if it was known that a compromise was always the outcome or that loss was the outcome. Because then he will have sent hundreds of thousands of his own to a needless death.

(And before harpy screeching starts about just giving up, I've no issue with defending oneself if they really thought there was a chance. But for people conscripted they have to trust their leader and time will show this.).

I don't see zelenksy with any alternatives though. His only real hope is that Putin drops dead, because the Russians are either crazy in love with him, or too scared to attempt to overthrow him.

As per my above reply, questions need to be asked of the Ukrainian people on what they want for the future of their country. Conceding some land on the promise of being fast-tracked into NATO to prevent them from ever being attacked again*, and getting back to rebuilding their lives and country may seem a fair compromise.

* If they were then they'd have the full backing of NATO.