I’d say we should worry about artillery, Jets and bombs first. Things that offer and can deliver lots of bang bang.
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I’d say we should worry about artillery, Jets and bombs first. Things that offer and can deliver lots of bang bang.
I expect they wanted to put a pro Russian government in place that wouldn't have joined NATO or become a member of the EU.
Caporegime
"Russian speaking area" "controlled by separatists". What a load of rubbish. The areas occupied by Russia and Russian proxies.
If they wanted that, why are they occupying a much larger area? Why did they carry out so many atrocities beyond that region? Why didn't they, you know, just go and occupy those reasons? This is complete nonsense.
It is factual that they were controlled by separatists, who were backed by Russians. However these groups were comprised of mostly Ukrainians, some soldiers and volunteers travelled from Russia to fight alongside them, probably paid for and backed by the Russian state, but the majority were Ukrainian men who were born there. When Russia invaded this group mobilised 140,000 men to fight against Ukraine alongside Russia. I know our media reported literally none of this, but this is what happened.
This isn't a controversial statement or something left of field, people just have no idea what was going on in Ukraine prior to the invasion. You can watch videos on Youtube of life in those areas before Russia invaded, they weren't governed by Kyiv until Russia sent their army in.
Again, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, they shouldn't have done that, but the fact is Ukraine is now ideologically 2 different countries. They can shoot each other until one or both of them run out of men and that won't change. One group wants to be part of the West, and one doesn't.
Russian separatist forces in Ukraine - Wikipedia
Russia is at war with Ukraine over it wanting to join NATO, so every decision isn't about simply taking territory they plan to keep, just like we didn't occupy and annex Baghdad or Kabul. It's basically about regime change and getting what they want in regards to Ukraine not joining NATO. I don't think they have plans to occupy most of Ukraine, pro EU areas West of Kyiv would just be in open revolt and they aren't really capable of managing that.
Russia and the men involved in the fighting have a lot of poorly trained and disciplined troops, they brought in groups from Chechnya early in the war I believe, but the civilian deaths have been low across the board for a conflict of this size.
I'm stating a personal opinion, how can I be lying about what I think?
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It is factual that they were controlled by separatists, who were backed by Russians. However these groups were comprised of mostly Ukrainians, some soldiers and volunteers travelled from Russia to fight alongside them, probably paid for and backed by the Russian state, but the majority were Ukrainian men who were born there. When Russia invaded this group mobilised 140,000 men to fight against Ukraine alongside Russia. I know our media reported literally none of this, but this is what happened.
This isn't a controversial statement or something left of field, people just have no idea what was going on in Ukraine prior to the invasion. You can watch videos on Youtube of life in those areas before Russia invaded, they weren't governed by Kyiv until Russia sent their army in.
Again, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, they shouldn't have done that, but the fact is Ukraine is now ideologically 2 different countries. They can shoot each other until one or both of them run out of men and that won't change. One group wants to be part of the West, and one doesn't.
Russian separatist forces in Ukraine - Wikipedia
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Russia is at war with Ukraine over it wanting to join NATO, so every decision isn't about simply taking territory they plan to keep, just like we didn't occupy and annex Baghdad or Kabul. It's basically about regime change and getting what they want in regards to Ukraine not joining NATO. I don't think they have plans to occupy most of Ukraine, pro EU areas West of Kyiv would just be in open revolt and they aren't really capable of managing that.
Russia and the men involved in the fighting have a lot of poorly trained and disciplined troops, they brought in groups from Chechnya early in the war I believe, but the civilian deaths have been low across the board for a conflict of this size.
I don’t doubt that once the Ukrainians had been sufficiently “denazified” by a forcible reeducation program and introduced to Russian style democracy where you can vote for anyone you like as long as they are pro Putin… the Russians would have left the Ukrainians to live freely in their own country.
At least the ones who lived to see the end of the occupation.
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Would not be surprising if Russia had all this scenario planned out, fully predicting the west's reluctance to help long term. Really not looking good for Ukraine now, what's really surprising is how America has responded to all this, to the point of asking how much of the west would they actually value standing with if this all escalated. How far would America go if say Poland or Germany even become a target for invasion.
Caporegime
Totally different situation, that would involve boots on the ground.
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What are you basing this on though? Nothing like this is happening in occupied areas, is it? Forcible reeducation? Can we actually just be intellectually honest in the posts. What they did which was wrong was some forcible recruitment at the start of the war, a lot of those men died fighting against Ukraine. But Ukraine also refuses to let men leave the country, so it's not a unique situation.
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Soldato
Oh look, thread quality has taken a massive nosedive since propaganda roar has been allowed back.
Haven't been banned from this thread at all. Posts like this make the thread take a nose dive, this entire forum has a melt down when group think is challenged in any thread.
Soldato
It's not 'group think challenged' it the same old boring trolling. Posting nonsense 'opinions' based on nothing but your rather obvious agenda.
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I’m basing it on what you have said. Ukraine wanted to join NATO and the EU. The only way Russia could stop this was by force. They can't just invade and then leave because that alone doesn’t change the will of Ukrainians.
The only way Russia gets what it wants is to crush Ukrainian free will and keep it crushed.
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Na Prigozhin was one man, the leader, cut the head off the snake and it was all over. Prigozhin was also after Putins job at the time.
in this case it looks like it would be a joint effort by a lot of Russian soldiers, if it happens but it probably wont anyway.
Talk about intellectual honesty and then try and compare a situation where one country is doing it willingly and the other out of necessity due to the situation forced on them... shameful.
They would have put a pro Russian government in charge is what I think they would've done. I don't think that's morally right, but the problem is from the Russian point of view the US interfered in their elections. I can't imagine how much the CIA was involved in all of that.
To me it's very obvious the CIA would have been involved prior to this during the whole Euro Maiden thing, Russia obviously knows this. Putin knows this, he's ex KGB himself.
If anyone wants to tell me I'm wrong and the CIA wouldn't do that, have a scroll
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