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Chives said:
Why would they do that? The President that has just been removed was pro-Russian and catered to their interests quite nicely.
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You look at it too simply, Putin is a very smart guy... I predict in very near future we will see a split Ukraine with Russian side of Ukraine joining Russia. Not because Russia will invade them, but because they will do it themselves.

You might ask why? I explained it in other posts, the current government already passed laws banning Russian language and all monuments,statues built in favor of soviets/russians. That even includes the monuments to soldiers of ww2 and the burning flames to the dead.

Russian population of Ukraine DOES NOT want to put up with this, hence you see massive movements against the new government in south and eastern ukraine.

Moreover, EU deal would mean death to south/east industry because nearly all industry of Ukraine are in those regions.

Therefore, in very near future we will see a yugoslavian scenario in Ukraine but just in less pieces.... With the eastern and southern parts going into Russian Federation, all this will be done democratically... Putin will come out on top.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
You talking to yourself?? Will you present any proof that Russia "invaded" Georgia?? Will you dispute the information I provided in my previous post?

If you will not, which you havent so far... You will be considered a troll and ignored.

Jog on matey. :cool:
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Maybe Georgia were out of hand shelling that city and a bit extreme even though it was retaliatory but that city was in Sovereign Georgian territory.

Russia invaded in order to protect Russian Citizens that lived in Ossetia but really it was a put up job. The Russians set it up and the Georgians miscalculated.

The Russians were advancing on the Georgian capital Tbilisi then George Bush told them to back down and they did.

If one country's armed forces are advancing on the capital of another country and that is not construed as an invasion then I dont know what is.lol
 
RedDanDoc said:
Maybe Georgia were out of hand shelling that city and a bit extreme even though it was retaliatory but that city was in Sovereign Georgian territory.

Russia invaded in order to protect Russian Citizens that lived in Ossetia but really it was a put up job. The Russians set it up and the Georgians miscalculated.

The Russians were advancing on the Georgian capital Tbilisi then George Bush told them to back down and they did.

If one country's armed forces are advancing on the capital of another country and that is not construed as an invasion then I dont know what is.lol
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Trust me, George Bush would have near to 0 influence on Putin... Putin (Medvedev) didnt invade Tbilisi because they didnt want to, not because Bush said something.

In reality apart from public shaming there is NOTHING that can be done against Russia, they are not Iran or North Korea... Whole EU depends on Russian resources to keep the economy going.

You said it yourself, what did you expect Russia to do if Georgia shelled a CIVLLIAN city where Russian peace-keepers were along with Russian citizens? If this was any other anti-western Nation doing such things, they would be bombed to stone age immidiatly... You simply CANNOT bomb a civillian city especially on a scale Georgia did.

Tshinivali is a disputed territory and by no means a Georgian rightful territory.

Anyway as you have said, regardless of the "put-up" in the scenario of this conflict Russia was right in their actions and advancing troops onto Tbilisi is proportional to the Georgian military action of a devastating bombardment of a civilian city...

Russians left no other option for Tbilisi than to sign the peace deal, after which they went back.

I hope after reading into the subject, which you clearly have done to answer my post, you now understand that while this is a grey territory its not as simple as you portrayed it, being Russians randomly attacking and invading Georgia... At least Russians never bombed Tbilisi.
 
RedDanDoc said:
Yeah I like how he orchestrated those apartment bombings in order to have his second Chechen War.;):rolleyes:
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It is a conspiracy theory, but shall we err bring 9/11 then?? ;) Since we are now into conspiracy theory territory you know....

Oh what about the Chemical Weapons in Iraq?? Actually that isnt even a conspiracy theory anymore, it is a recognized fact that it was a fat lie to invade Iraq.

You can watch BBC panarama on the topic, if you do not believe me.

We cant blame Putin even if this was true, we are full of this poo ourselves.
 
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RedDanDoc said:
I hope they Do Join. It's horrible living in a Country that shares a Border with Russia. My wife is from Georgia and I must say it was very scary to say the least when they invaded in 2008.
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Good thing your wife is not from South Ossetia then, because if she was there, she could have been killed by the Georgian forces shelling the city or killed hiding in the basement when Georgian combatants specifically targeted civilians when they initiated aggression, all of which recorded by western impartial observers, such as Human Rights Watch. So being South Ossetian is a bit more scary than being Georgian eh.

Georgian-Russian conflict is regarded by the west as Georgian aggression by invasion of South Ossetia and killing of Russian peacekeepers.


The Russians were advancing on the Georgian capital Tbilisi then George Bush told them to back down and they did.
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What are you 12? Just how naive are you?
 
Nerusy said:
What are you 12? Just how naive are you?
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So that didnt happen then. It as touch an go for a whole day the world thought Russian forces were going to take Tbilisi. Then Bush made his Televised statement The Ruskies halted and then Condolesa Rice flew to Tbilisi.

Did this not Happen ?

I'm no fan of the Bush administration by any means but these events happened interpret them how you wish I dont care.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
You look at it too simply, Putin is a very smart guy... I predict in very near future we will see a split Ukraine with Russian side of Ukraine joining Russia. Not because Russia will invade them, but because they will do it themselves.

You might ask why? I explained it in other posts, the current government already passed laws banning Russian language and all monuments,statues built in favor of soviets/russians. That even includes the monuments to soldiers of ww2 and the burning flames to the dead.

Russian population of Ukraine DOES NOT want to put up with this, hence you see massive movements against the new government in south and eastern ukraine.

Moreover, EU deal would mean death to south/east industry because nearly all industry of Ukraine are in those regions.

Therefore, in very near future we will see a yugoslavian scenario in Ukraine but just in less pieces.... With the eastern and southern parts going into Russian Federation, all this will be done democratically... Putin will come out on top.
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You've no idea what you're talking about. This hasn't been a West vs Russia issue, it's been an issue between the pro-EU majority and the pro-Russian minority represented by the former Government and the oligarchs who supported it.
The latter are businessmen first and foremost so, no matter what interests they initially had, they took their hands off Yanukovych when they saw their own people shot down in the streets. The Government crossed the line and they lost their support, as seen in the latest decisions of the Parliament.

As for a split of the Ukraine, not in a million years would Putin support it because such an act would threaten Russia itself. Chechnya and Dagestan are just a couple of examples of Russian territories that have separatist movements so creating a dangerous precedent is the last thing on Putin's mind.

Ukraine is sorting itself out and it's finalising it's transition to democracy, Putin has no real power in it. All he did was to pressure the weak Yanukovych not to sign the EU deal and to offer that loan in December, along with the reduction of gas prices. In other words, he tried to bribe his way into a position of influence. Pathetic.
 
The thing about the protest that upsets me the most is the disconnection of humanity between both police and protesters.

When your the police, your aim is to protect the people and all I see is them fighting the people, do they not realise this? The people protesting are average people, with families and lives, so why do they not stand with them or at least work with them instead of shooting and smashing them with batons etc.

The same can also be said for the protesters to a certain degree, the police have families and lives, petrol bombing them.....seriously??

This is one of my real concerns about this country, if there was another demonstration on the scale of the London ones, will we just end up with 2 camps of people? The police who are very anti public and the protesters riled up by the police with there harsh measures.

I have to hope that if I end up protesting, my neighbor who is a police officer , will recognize me and remind himself of the person I am before bludgeoning me in the face. Or will he just do his duty and remove all humanity and do as the PM wills? The police today almost seem like a private army for the government.
 
Russia has recalled its ambassador to the Ukraine and there are rumours of Russian tanks massing along the border with Ukraine. Now the Olympics are over I fully expect Russia to invade Ukraine soon - as they did Georgia. :(

LOL at the Putin fanbois here, truly pathetic.
 
scorza said:
Russia has recalled its ambassador to the Ukraine and there are rumours of Russian tanks massing along the border with Ukraine. Now the Olympics are over I fully expect Russia to invade Ukraine soon - as they did Georgia. :(

LOL at the Putin fanbois here, truly pathetic.
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Putin fanbois?? If you are talking about me, I have nothing personal for Putin, I am just talking about him as a Politician, and you cant deny he is a rather good one when it comes to external affairs, maybe bad for us.... But for Russia he is a rather good one, if a person is on other side of barricade it does not make them automatically bad, well if you have enough brain to understand that is :rolleyes:

Georgia, please read previous page where I have showed proof that EU commission has concluded that the war broke out due to Georgian troops heavily shelling a civilian city and Russia had full right to take necessary measures to protect their citizens and peace-keepers.

I just wonder what would we do if for example tomorrow Spain shelled Gibraltar nearly wiping whole rock, we would retaliate after that but whole world would be saying that we have invaded Spain....

It is not about fan-boyism, it is about looking at things with a balanced perspective and I found that a lot of media brain-washes people into seeing West as good and East as bad and thats it. Even though things like chemical weapons in Iraq are now discovered to be an absolute lie to topple Saddam...

How am I supposed to not doubt a view that western world is portraying of the situations, when we already done this mess up in Iraq and I am sure there are far more that been done, we just dont know yet.

Basically if a person doubts a source, he becomes a fan-boi lol?

The whole idea is that our "allies" in middle east, not so long ago had issues with protesters... They didnt bother for long there, just shot on sight those who were unhappy... We never offered our support to the protesters, we just ignored it. But as soon as Ukraine comes up, we all over it... So much for Fair "world police" I cant seem to think that the reason why we in it, is that we clearly have some benefit to be had there and not just for the sake of people, because if we were... We would have helped those people in Bahrain... We would have toppled Saudi Arabia due to their Dictatorship and ridiculous discriminating laws against women, but we are not doing this.

Why?
 
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Putin fanbois?? If you are talking about me, I have nothing personal for Putin, I am just talking about him as a Politician, and you cant deny he is a rather good one when it comes to external affairs, maybe bad for us....
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Putin sees himself as a global "player" and he thinks he can offer an alternative to the West's liberalism. The ideology he is pushing forward is an odd mix of traditionalism, nationalism and capitalism probably inspired by the old Tsar Empire - a dead end.

What exactly makes him a good politician? Internally, he rules a poor country with an iron fist, much like the rest of the autocrats in the former soviet republics. His global influence is restricted to some of his neighbours and the countries he supplies with fuel/weapons - no match to the influence of the US, EU or even China.

Him and the korean fatty are the last members of a critically endangered species - the all powerful all knowing leader.
 
Chives said:
Why would they do that? The President that has just been removed was pro-Russian and catered to their interests quite nicely.
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Except with him gone they can physically move into the Eastern sector of the country. Yes perhaps Western intelligence is involved somehow but I think it's more likely that Russia is pulling the strings the hardest.
 
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