Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Grim5]

ukranians need to just keep attacking Russian infrastructure wherever it pops up, that will get rid of them. So like in cities like Mariupol, when the Russians put up a building, blow it up, rinse and repeat they'll eventually leave because they're spending too much money for nothing in return

 

[NickK]

What do you folks think the best case scenario is for Ukraine, if the EU and US lose interest completely? Asking out of curiosity, really.

Perpetual defensive war, capitulation, or Russia giving up?

It doesn't seem likely that Ukraine will be able to push back/"win" without continuing support.

However Putin knows it will set an example that countries that Russia threatens have no support to win.

I suspect that Putin will find his friends undermined in a bid to prevent a long term threat to global stability.

 

[Grim5]

Zelensky says there is now over 200 companies in Ukraine building drones and in total he expects Ukraine will build 1 million drones of all different types in 2024.

But Zelensky says challenges remain with infrastructure, particularly where to store drones as production of new drones is moving much faster than infrastructure at the moment and even now Ukraine has more drones than it can use at the front line sitting in storage and waiting for new units to be formed and new logistics to manage getting them where they need to be

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

Woman are already fighting, do keep up, as are blacks and Asians and transgenders, you know... because Ukraine worship nazis...oh wait..how.. nevermind.

Tell us more about the nazi worship, were you playing Castle Wolfenstein per chance when your brain farted ?

So Ukraine is a powerhouse of diversity now is it? LOL, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Rroff]

Britain did pull out the British Expeditionary Force from France though, saving the majority of our troops incase we were invaded. Fighting warfare effectively mostly doesn't involve fighting a losing battle to the last man. Zelensky is currently imitating British World War 1 Generals though rather than World War 2, except we actually "won" in the end (if you can call it that). I don't think I've ever said they should surrender though, I think they should negotiate given they have almost no chance of retaking the captured territories in the East, which even if they did retake could never actually be governed by Kyiv anyway. The refusal to negotiate is so beyond stupid to me, I can see why Zelensky doesn't want to allow elections.

As with your recent post, intentional misrepresentation of things which aren't comparable due to different circumstances involved...

The onus here isn't on Zelensky to negotiate - only a fool would negotiate with Russia any more. Russia leaves no choice until there are adults back in power.

I suppose this would be a false equivalence if it wasn't for the strong worship of Nazis the Ukrainian forces are notorious for.

Just remember though, when the next half million are forced into service (including women) and end up dead on the front lines, you were cheering for it, all while having no skin in the game.

Quite a shameful post - less than 3% of Ukrainian servicemen are linked to far-right neo-Nazi groups like the original Azov regiment... and as a reminder most of these groups grew out of and until 2014 had links to Russian ultras.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Britain did pull out the British Expeditionary Force from France though, saving the majority of our troops incase we were invaded. Fighting warfare effectively mostly doesn't involve fighting a losing battle to the last man. Zelensky is currently imitating British World War 1 Generals though rather than World War 2, except we actually "won" in the end (if you can call it that). I don't think I've ever said they should surrender though, I think they should negotiate given they have almost no chance of retaking the captured territories in the East, which even if they did retake could never actually be governed by Kyiv anyway. The refusal to negotiate is so beyond stupid to me, I can see why Zelensky doesn't want to allow elections.

We got incredibly lucky pulling our forces out of Dunkirk. However if the America First movement (pretty much identical to todays version) had got their way the US wouldn't have supported the UK and we'd have lost the war. Fortunately the right wing loons lost that fight and the US backed us and we managed to turn it around with their help and the sacrifice of the peoples of our empire and allies.

Ukraine gets to decide when they've had enough, not us or the US. They are asking for our help and we should be doing much much more.

Funny that there wasn't an election in the UK from 1935 to 1945, now I wonder why that was... Elections aren't due until march 2024 and considering a big chuck of the country is occupied by an invader how do you suggest they carry out these elections?

Russia/Putin can't be trusted to stick to any agreement. He has shown time and time again that his word is worthless. So how do you suggest any agreement is enforced? Western troops in Ukraine to prevent further Russian aggression? Because if an agreement is reached and Ukraine isn't given cast iron guarantees (we promised we'd have their backs when they gave up their nukes, that didn't work out well for them did it) then Putin will be back for the rest once he's built up his military again. Appeasement just delays more killing for further down the road and show China we lack the backbone for a fight, not good news for Taiwan.

 

[Rroff]

What do you folks think the best case scenario is for Ukraine, if the EU and US lose interest completely? Asking out of curiosity, really.

Perpetual defensive war, capitulation, or Russia giving up?

It doesn't seem likely that Ukraine will be able to push back/"win" without continuing support.

Ukraine's logistics and manufacturing can't operate outside of Russia's ability to destroy or disrupt it - eventually Ukraine will run out of artillery and other heavy weapon stockpiles, etc. at which point they won't be able to defend against Russia's forces in any kind of open terrain, fighting would be pushed back to denser urban areas which would be a slow grind for Russia but a losing war for Ukraine as their forces would be increasingly cut off and without ability to resupply, unlikely to be able to inflict heavy enough losses to make Russia give up.

Also there is a factor there - Russia would certainly push on Odesa, and once they have that region very unlikely they'll leave Moldova unscathed, people hang wringing about the human element would be well to remember that, though I suspect they can't possibly entertain the thought due to their belief in Russia.

 

[bingham67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1737429223831126459

 

[NickK]

Ukraine's logistics and manufacturing can't operate outside of Russia's ability to destroy or disrupt it - eventually Ukraine will run out of artillery and other heavy weapon stockpiles, etc. at which point they won't be able to defend against Russia's forces in any kind of open terrain, fighting would be pushed back to denser urban areas which would be a slow grind for Russia but a losing war for Ukraine as their forces would be increasingly cut off and without ability to resupply, unlikely to be able to inflict heavy enough losses to make Russia give up.

Also there is a factor there - Russia would certainly push on Odesa, and once they have that region very unlikely they'll leave Moldova unscathed, people hang wringing about the human element would be well to remember that, though I suspect they can't possibly entertain the thought due to their belief in Russia.

Russia did quite a good job of mining everything so open ground is not an option for russia attacking.

 

[alchal]

So Ukraine is a powerhouse of diversity now is it? LOL, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

That's it, you have nothing.

Show me the diversity of your beloved anti nazi liberators oh hang on , using non white Russians as cannon fodder, they have outlawed being gay, need I go on ? Who's the nazis again.

Yet Ukraine has people of every nationality and colour fighting for them.

Still waiting for your Castle Wolfenstein report.

 

[CaneyJ]

Congratulations Russia. Now hurry up and die faster!

 

[bingham67]

Scumbag Putin just cares about stupid legacy I can't believe there not more revolt then there is, surely this is a nothing war are people just brainwashed.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

What a brave woman. Imagine a world where Russia is led by people like this.

Екатерина Дунцова

Кандидат в президенты России

duntsova2024.ru

I hope she stays clear of high windows.

 

[Uther]

BBC
'Ukrainian men between the ages of 25 and 60 living abroad will be expected to report for military service, Defence Minister Rustem Umerov says.

He describes this as an "invitation" - but suggests there would be sanctions against anyone who did not comply.

"We are still discussing what should happen if they don't come voluntarily," he says in an interview with German media.

President Zelensky said in his end-of-year news conference on Tuesday that 450,000 - 500,000 new soldiers were needed - but how this could be achieved was a "sensitive issue".

In November, the Austrian newspaper Express quoted EU agency Eurostat as saying some 650,000 Ukrainian men of military age had left the country for the EU since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion - of whom nearly 200,000 were in Germany.'

 

[alchal]

BBC
'Ukrainian men between the ages of 25 and 60 living abroad will be expected to report for military service, Defence Minister Rustem Umerov says.

He describes this as an "invitation" - but suggests there would be sanctions against anyone who did not comply.

"We are still discussing what should happen if they don't come voluntarily," he says in an interview with German media.

President Zelensky said in his end-of-year news conference on Tuesday that 450,000 - 500,000 new soldiers were needed - but how this could be achieved was a "sensitive issue".

In November, the Austrian newspaper Express quoted EU agency Eurostat as saying some 650,000 Ukrainian men of military age had left the country for the EU since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion - of whom nearly 200,000 were in Germany.'

Maybe if we had given Ukraine the tools they wouldn't be needing a new mobilisation.

 

[FishThrower]

Maybe if we had given Ukraine the tools they wouldn't be needing a new mobilisation.

didnt take long for someone to blame the west for the extra 500k troops being drafted.. i was waiting for it

 

[Roar87]

That's it, you have nothing.

Show me the diversity of your beloved anti nazi liberators oh hang on , using non white Russians as cannon fodder, they have outlawed being gay, need I go on ? Who's the nazis again.

Yet Ukraine has people of every nationality and colour fighting for them.

Still waiting for your Castle Wolfenstein report.

You are allowed to be gay in Russia, you're even allowed to be gay and be in the military, gay men are allowed to give blood, age of consent for same sex couples is 16 the same as it is for straight couples. You're just confused because they don't allow rainbow flags to be shown to kids in schools and have traditional orthodox Christian views on marriage, a view which is supported by around 90% of their population.

 

[alchal]

didnt take long for someone to blame the west for the extra 500k troops being drafted.. i was waiting for it

Extra modern aircraft with capabilities to hit further and long range munitions, of an amount that can actually make an impact, would help to reduce Russian combat power massively.
More modern tanks other than 12-30 also.


Am I wrong.

 

[Werewolf]

You are allowed to be gay in Russia, you're even allowed to be gay and be in the military, gay men are allowed to give blood, age of consent for same sex couples is 16 the same as it is for straight couples. You're just confused because they don't allow rainbow flags to be shown to kids in schools and have traditional orthodox Christian views on marriage, a view which is supported by around 90% of their population.

lol

"you're allowed to be gay" but don't complain to the police when you're beaten to a pulp and the police stand by and offer advice on how best to do it.

IIRC Russia has basically banned any public indications of homosexuality for years, and police at best will do nothing if you're beaten up for being (or suspected of being) gay.

How are you not aware of this, it's been a known problem for years, especially things like lesbians getting raped by the gay bashers and the police shrugging it of.

 

[alchal]

You are allowed to be gay in Russia, you're even allowed to be gay and be in the military, gay men are allowed to give blood, age of consent for same sex couples is 16 the same as it is for straight couples. You're just confused because they don't allow rainbow flags to be shown to kids in schools and have traditional orthodox Christian views on marriage, a view which is supported by around 90% of their population.

No, they let the gays get beaten to death and imprison anyone for even saying gay out aloud and are further clamping down on them...kind of Nazi like huh.

Not surprised their views seem to fit yours.