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I would be happy for my country to pay them to leave Switzerland and go back to be heroes for democracy (tm). I think its their solemn duty to do so.
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I would be happy for my country to pay them to leave Switzerland and go back to be heroes for democracy (tm). I think its their solemn duty to do so.
Am I doing it right?
Soldato
You’re taking to Roar, he isn’t aware of anything in his little world
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I still think they would have needed the men, for all the 'lol Russian dead' in the thread Ukraine is obviously bleeding out too.
Nah, because Switzerland only take money or gold ,usually from people like Hitler and Putin , fat chance of giving money to others, especially for a good cause.
Of course he is aware of it.
It's just our resident troll being troll-like.
He is entirely incapable of an honest debate in good faith.
It is, but how much is due to having insufficient munitions and weapons... especially ones than eclipse the Russian systems.
We saw the attack choppers wrecking havoc on the Ukrainian offensive.
Hitting staging points, airfields, c&c you name it, vast majority are untouchable by Ukraine unfortunately, well enough to make a real difference anywho.
Cluster strike vids and Himras launches etc are getting thin on the ground now.
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You're allowed to do lots of things in Russia just don't count on being alive for long. You may accidentally fall off a balcony, have a plane your on shot out of the sky, or have an unexplained bout of novichok poisoning.
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It obviously suits the west to keep the war bubbling along for a while yet. Eventually it will end with old men round a table talking, as pretty much all wars do.
Right, I'm not saying Russia doesn't have archaic views on homosexuality which stem from their orthodox Christian views, combined with a lot of outdated attitudes that were still pretty popular here in the 80s and 90s, but that wasn't the argument. It simply isn't illegal to be gay, the Police aren't going to break down your door.
By the way, I don't think you'll find many of the Ukrainian soldiers waving rainbow flags either, they will have largely similar views culturally to Russia, even if their government is taking a more progressive approach to appease the EU.
Oh, oops, what's this from 2018
Ukraine: Address Attacks against Activists and Human Rights Defenders
More than 50 attacks on activists and human rights defenders in Ukraine have been recorded by local human rights groups in just the last nine months.
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Right, I'm not saying Russia doesn't have archaic views on homosexuality which stem from their orthodox Christian views, combined with a lot of outdated attitudes that were still pretty popular here in the 80s and 90s, but that wasn't the argument. It simply isn't illegal to be gay, the Police aren't going to break down your door.
By the way, I don't think you'll find many of the Ukrainian soldiers waving rainbow flags either, they will have largely similar views culturally to Russia, even if their government is taking a more progressive approach to appease the EU.
Oh, oops, what's this from 2018
Ukraine: Address Attacks against Activists and Human Rights Defenders
More than 50 attacks on activists and human rights defenders in Ukraine have been recorded by local human rights groups in just the last nine months.freedomhouse.org
Russian forces raid gay clubs after branding LGBTQ movement an extremist organisation
The raids come after a historic law change further restricted support for the LGBTQ community in Russia.
Police raid Moscow gay bars after a Supreme Court ruling labeled LGBTQ+ movement 'extremist'
Russian security forces have raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization
www.independent.co.uk
Perhaps read beyond the headline and opening paragraphs.
'Outlaw' was an appropriate term to use.
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Russian forces raid gay clubs after branding LGBTQ movement an extremist organisation
The raids come after a historic law change further restricted support for the LGBTQ community in Russia.news.sky.com
Police raid Moscow gay bars after a Supreme Court ruling labeled LGBTQ+ movement 'extremist'
Russian security forces have raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization
Perhaps read beyond the headline and opening paragraphs.
'Outlaw' was an appropriate term to use.
You understand the difference between someone being gay and a club branding itself with rainbow flags, right? It isn't illegal to be gay, it's illegal promote homosexuality. They have traditional views, they are actually more progressive than most Muslim countries, which rarely get called out for this type of thing.
If you want to call Russia out for something, there's plenty of things, but it isn't illegal to be gay.
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Just punishable. That's a relief.
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They probably would be more progressive if they didn't see the state of some of the things going on in American schools, having done a course at work yesterday that included the word "microaggressions" and avoiding the use of "gendered language" like 'manpower', I personally don't blame them at all. We'll be living in the world shown in Demolition Man soon in the West, at which point I'll move to Russia for a rat burger and a beer. Anyway, enough off topic discussion, it's factually correct that being gay isn't illegal, the laws were clear to me when I looked into it when they hosted the World Cup. If you want to complain about Russian corruption in sport I'm right alongside you.
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Fairly sure Muslim countries have been called out for this type of thing. A lot.
As I said re read, but go beyond the headline and opening paragraph.
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Just passing laws to piecemeal criminalize and outlaw as many aspects of living life while being gay.
So you can be gay, but just don't mention being gay, do anything gay related, or you know just don't be gay.
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Yes, you can be gay in Russia, it is not illegal. I didn't say anything more than that. I don't agree with their laws, but 2 men or women can live together privately and no one is going to come around and arrest them. A lot of our laws in the West have only improved in the last 20-40 years, yet for some reason you're already holding Russia to the same standards as us. There's far worse going on in the world to LGBT people than not being allowed a gay pride festival in Moscow.
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Roar loves an authoritarians strong man type. I've no doubt he'd be very happy if the UK had a Putin/Orban/Trump in charge.
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Hey, money is money, given for a good cause. I say a lot of us would happily give money for them to leave. Judging by the cars they drive I doubt they need the money but its okay.
Oh, And your country was happy to sign an agreement with us recently.
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Why did they let him back in?
It was so nice and peaceful here without him (which is ironic because it's a thread about an ongoing conflict).
It was so nice and peaceful here without him (which is ironic because it's a thread about an ongoing conflict).
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