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Good job the likes of you and Roar weren't in charge in 1939 or we'd all be speaking German. So easy to tell people they should surrender their nation, culture and freedom when you have no skin in the game isn't it
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Good job the likes of you and Roar weren't in charge in 1939 or we'd all be speaking German. So easy to tell people they should surrender their nation, culture and freedom when you have no skin in the game isn't it
Yup, the people of that country successfully fought off the invincible Soviet army (handing them their first loss in history) plus the regular Afghan army, and overthrew the elected government. They then ruled until they themselves were overthrown several years later by a group of Islamic extremists bankrolled by Pakistan (who were trying to increase their influence in the region), those extremists then ruled until 2001 when they were ousted by the USA (who were angry at them for harbouring a Saudi terrorist who had attacked the USA due to anger over how close the US/Saudi relationship had become).Can anyone remember what happened when the US poured military aid into a country to fight off Russia then pulled the plug, yeah that went down well.
Obviously none of it is relevant to the situation in Ukraine, but I felt the question needed answering in order to emphasise it being irrelevant to the situation in Ukraine.
I'm talking about Operation Cyclone and the aftermath, supply and run.
The long term legacy of this program has been highly controversial. Many of its original architects regard it as a success, and it certainly played a role in weakening the Soviet Union and perhaps accelerating its eventual collapse. However, the lack of oversight with which the CIA distributed weapons and military aid led to numerous heavily armed militant Islamist factions being left to battle for power after the Soviet Union withdrew. Many of the figures involved in the US-backed struggle against the Soviet invaders would go on to become notorious terrorist commanders, including Jalaluddin Haqqani (leader of the Haqqani Network), Mohammed Omar (leader of the Taliban), and Osama bin Laden (leader of al-Qaeda).
Lets see what happens if they do it again, then it maybe relevant
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350k dead worms by Thursday it looks like.
Now if only we upped our defence spending, stop joking with AJAX / facelifted Challengers and ensured 2% goes to NATO as it should we can pump those rookie numbers up more!
Now if only we upped our defence spending, stop joking with AJAX / facelifted Challengers and ensured 2% goes to NATO as it should we can pump those rookie numbers up more!
Summary of items mentioned in Zelensky's speech today:
* Winter is coming and we will be defended by several new Patriot and NASAMs air defences
* The Russians have made no gains in 2023
* The results of the spring offensive is due to Ukraine not having the equipment to control and dominate our skies
* Russians are no longer able to control and operate with impunity in the Black Sea and they can no longer tell us what we can and can't export/import from our ports
* Ukrainian military has asked the government to approve drafting 500k new soldiers to increase the standing military to 1 million. This has not been approved, is in discussions
* Winter is coming and we will be defended by several new Patriot and NASAMs air defences
* The Russians have made no gains in 2023
* The results of the spring offensive is due to Ukraine not having the equipment to control and dominate our skies
* Russians are no longer able to control and operate with impunity in the Black Sea and they can no longer tell us what we can and can't export/import from our ports
* Ukrainian military has asked the government to approve drafting 500k new soldiers to increase the standing military to 1 million. This has not been approved, is in discussions
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Not too bad. Considering all the scrap was sent there and Ukrainian army still managed to penetrate them with no air support.
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I suppose this would be a false equivalence if it wasn't for the strong worship of Nazis the Ukrainian forces are notorious for.Good job the likes of you and Roar weren't in charge in 1939 or we'd all be speaking German. So easy to tell people they should surrender their nation, culture and freedom when you have no skin in the game isn't it
Just remember though, when the next half million are forced into service (including women) and end up dead on the front lines, you were cheering for it, all while having no skin in the game.
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Woman are already fighting, do keep up, as are blacks and Asians and transgenders, you know... because Ukraine worship nazis...oh wait..how.. nevermind.
Tell us more about the nazi worship, were you playing Castle Wolfenstein per chance when your brain farted ?
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Show me a country that doesn't have far right groups. Especially in Eastern Europe but plenty in the US as well.
You realise if we were invaded we would also have conscription right? As would pretty much any nation that doesn't have a system where everyone is already in a military reserve. I think we know you wouldn't signing up to serve and would be looking for a doctor to give you a bone spur or flat foot diagnosis. Thankfully people like you in the US were in the minority in 1939 and early 1940s or we'd have been left on our own, just as you want to leave Ukraine on its own.
Good job the likes of you and Roar weren't in charge in 1939 or we'd all be speaking German. So easy to tell people they should surrender their nation, culture and freedom when you have no skin in the game isn't it
Britain did pull out the British Expeditionary Force from France though, saving the majority of our troops incase we were invaded. Fighting warfare effectively mostly doesn't involve fighting a losing battle to the last man. Zelensky is currently imitating British World War 1 Generals though rather than World War 2, except we actually "won" in the end (if you can call it that). I don't think I've ever said they should surrender though, I think they should negotiate given they have almost no chance of retaking the captured territories in the East, which even if they did retake could never actually be governed by Kyiv anyway. The refusal to negotiate is so beyond stupid to me, I can see why Zelensky doesn't want to allow elections.
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We created the conditions for another war 20 years later, one that cost us our Empire.
1, We have fought to last man on numerous occasions. Two members of my family fought to the end making the ultimate sacrifice.
2, Vladolf wants Ukraine, so what exactly is up for negotiation?
3, you did say the Ukrainians should surrender. You was wrong then and are even more wrong now.
I understand resistance to Vladolf upsets you. You probably need to get used to people showing resistance toward him though.
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Mis-representation I think.
The nazi forces pushed the UK forces back.. they were rescued or we’d have lost them.
Once the nazis were engaged, forces hit the beaches.
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Vladolf has bitten off more than he can chew and is now desperate for a pause in the war he started... The fool should have stopped with Crimea.
What do you folks think the best case scenario is for Ukraine, if the EU and US lose interest completely? Asking out of curiosity, really.
Perpetual defensive war, capitulation, or Russia giving up?
It doesn't seem likely that Ukraine will be able to push back/"win" without continuing support.
Perpetual defensive war, capitulation, or Russia giving up?
It doesn't seem likely that Ukraine will be able to push back/"win" without continuing support.
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