Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Soldato
I think you also have the point where the less prepared we are the less options we have for escalation of force. If Nuclear weapons are the only option we have to defend ourselves we may find it more likely to have to use them.
We require a means and way of projecting force beyond our own borders in a meaningful way.
Whats the other option we cower away in a corner and hope trouble dosnt come knocking. Diplomacy and politics no longer seems to be effective as it once was. To back up diplomacy you must have a means to back up words if it goes wrong.
Soldato
I think we are seeing a bit of that with Hungary. They are somewhat at risk of switching sides or at least coming away from NATO and EU.
But i don't understand what Russia can realistically do in conventional terms. Russia aren't even in the top 10 economies in the world any more, and their conventional forces both in numbers and equipment/technology is utterly laughable against NATO.
They are literally struggling against one Non-Nato Eastern European country and having to get ammunition from N Korea.
As long as NATO stays united, and China do not join in on the side of Russia in a large scale war, Russia have nothing. If it gets to the point where it is a full scale war between NATO and China, Russia and Iran or something, then i strongly suspect we are all completely ****** anyway so none of it will matter.
Oh no! Not Hungary!
I'm not sure that it's really the best forward looking practice to be cosying up to an authoritarian dictatorship who's occupying a European country in order to stick it to an authoritarian dictatorship who's occupying a European country, but then nothing the west did before 2022 really involved best forward looking practice
Caporegime
Do what though? With no land link Russia has no option of walking across our border, so that means everything has to be done at range via air or sea.
Russia has already shown its "excellence" in both these scenarios, being unable to dominate the air in a country adjacent to it, and its navy has been sunk by a country with no navy.
I find it hard to believe Russia has the capacity to invade us by sea, it has serious logistical issues supporting an invasion force by land in a country adjacent to it let alone sea at distance.
Long range bombing isn't really a long term solution, they will just get shot down on route by either ourselves or another NATO member.
So realistically this leaves russia a couple of options, 1. Try and starve us out by some sort of sea blockade and cut our subsea cables, but Russia isn't able to keep this up as its ships will be sunk. 2. Fire missiles at us of which Russia seems to have limited numbers plus its factories will be targeted by NATO and be diminished over time.
3. Nuclear war, if so then it is what it is.
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Caporegime
Hungary are living in the past. It's not the 18rh century no more /me checks watch.
They are a liability just like Turkey or whatever they call themselves, also think they are still bosses from the 19th century....
As do Russia..... Obviously...
Bunch of dicks
They are a liability just like Turkey or whatever they call themselves, also think they are still bosses from the 19th century....
As do Russia..... Obviously...
Bunch of dicks
Indeed, in fact Ukrainian WW2 legend Leonid Brezhnev ruled the USSR far longer than any Russian ever did. Their accomplishments have been somewhat buried by "the history of the USSR as told by Russia" but Ukraine was arguably more important to the USSR than as an example Scotland is/has been to the UK.
Soldato
I think Hungary are looking to copy the bribe and benefit approach Turkey seems to get away with
Knowing a lot of Hungarians I think they would openly revolt if they saw their EU based progress slipping away with a view to align to Russian (old soviet) ways
The more rural parts probably not so much, like many places the cities evolve faster than the towns who evolve faster than the backwaters
Turkey was barred from buying US kit because they bought S-400 SAMs instead of Patriots.
Something they have probably been regretting lol (in fairness the decision was caused by Trump wanting them to pay retail rates instead of discounted NATO rates).
Caporegime
I think that was never going to last: there's only so long you can refuse to sell weapons to your geopolitically important ally that's part of your mutual defensive pact. I don't think it's really a massive carrot to let them do that (not saying it doesn't have value, just that I don't think it's "such a big carrot").
Associate
Yes, britain a nation of chavs and immigrants trying to enforce military service on people who have no real allegiance to the country. Should be fun to watch them try and implement that. Over 14% of your entire country wasn't even born in the UK.
Hahaha, I would subscribe to the YouTube channels to see this. Maybe the image of Britain presented to Europeans and World isn't exactly fair...but if 20% of it is true it should be amusing!
Yes let's ignore the 250,000,000,000 of support provided so far. Quarter of a trillion is just words I guess, inflation really is that strong!
There is a difference between a war economy and a peacetime one - I could write loads on that but my entire premise really is not being too careless or depending too much on believing that Russia can't fix its situation. Especially if we ended up with a situation where the US had its hands full dealing with China albeit China seems to be walking back somewhat of late.
Defending our country is one thing but not necessarily the only possibility in the future, while we have nukes it isn't a very likely one but still something we shouldn't leave unprepared given the consequences if it ever came to it, but also if Russia ever was in a position to blockade our country that would likely be a losing war for us eventually without an offensive campaign to regain the initiative.
But it isn't like the Russians even have the capability to churn out massive amounts of high tech advanced weaponry in hardly anytime. Even on war footing/a war economy, i just cant see a feasible way that they could make enough weapons and machinery to rival NATO's combined forces.
NATO have four times as many aircraft and sea vessels for a start.
I'm no expert, but I doubt it is that easy to start churning out F-35 equivalents in great numbers when you are the 11th largest economy in the world...
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Yes, britain a nation of chavs and immigrants trying to enforce military service on people who have no real allegiance to the country. Should be fun to watch them try and implement that. Over 14% of your entire country wasn't even born in the UK.
Hahaha, I would subscribe to the YouTube channels to see this. Maybe the image of Britain presented to Europeans and World isn't exactly fair...but if 20% of it is true it should be amusing!
Yes let's ignore the 250,000,000,000 of support provided so far. Quarter of a trillion is just words I guess, inflation really is that strong!
I was saying the exact same thing about the chavs and high immigrant population. In the rare circumstances that we will ever get invaded, can you honestly see people from other cultures who have only been in the country for under 10 years fight side by side with people born here?. I can bet that they would also flee like what they have originally done to their homeland.
The chavs... are just a group of people not liking what to be told to do, they wouldn't last 10 minutes in a war as they have zero discipline.
in my opinion, a year conscription after school would be a huge benefit to society which will bring discipline and also help them grow up quicker. it will be great for individual character building as well
As a general kind of overview:
They are trying to restart T-80 tank production (in a more economical re-design), are putting a new MBT tender out to armoured vehicle producers. The T-14 and T-90 are pretty much written off with the T-14 having no production line and the T-90 production lines tied up with maintenance and repairs with everyone from the T-14 development moved over to the T-90. Though they are producing some new T-90s (in the dozens per year - IIRC about 50-60 in 2023) they are having to cut corners to get them out the door with many lacking more modern features. But NATO tank production is in a pretty poor place as well.
They've been ramping up and restarting various military helicopter lines and have been ramping up KA-52 production.
They've shifted resources over to 2 new armoured fighting vehicles including the VPK-7829 Bumerang instead of the older BMPs, etc. though production is currently around 5 hand built units a month they've now shifted into series production and numbers will ramp up.
They've put a de-modernised AK-12 into a more economical production and will be ramping that up through this year with series production starting about a month ago - by all reports it is a piece of **** but it'll fire bullets and they'll soon be able to build it at scale to support a large armed forces.
Their aerospace production has suffered significantly due to sanctions but they've double-shifted on missile production and opening new facilities, modern fighter production is generally sub 30 units a year but that will probably double next year.
I think there is a potential risk NATO gets caught napping.
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