Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Mr Jack said:
Doesn't seem likely to me these are linked. Turkey would have waited until it was approved if it was.
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Stuff like this doesn't usually go public until it's at the rubber stamp stage.

Mr Jack said:
I'm not sure how "here you can spend your money in our country" is such a big carrot?
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Turkey has wanted modernised F-16s for years, it's a huge carrot because they intend to use them on the Kurds.
 
Russia's lethal windows have struck again!


Orangeade said:
Here for the record it's done quite well. There is a heavy tax penalty for not engaging. You can be conscientious objector if you are a wet blanket and do civil service instead.

But then again the population of Switzerland that engages in this is a close knit community with strong country ties and loyalty. Its a source of great pride here.
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The moment any fresh conflict broke out in Western Europe, Switzerland would be on her knees begging the rest of us to rescue her, and promising to stop hoarding gold for foreign dictators.

The Swiss have just enough firepower to fend off a mildly determined owl. Anything more than that, and they'll need help.
 
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Let me guess - 'advantage' being .. if you keep sending ammo we'll keep building a war machine.. After the US he then starts the same with the UK, EU etc. etc.

Putin will be attempting to dictate. Knowing full well that he's attempting to dictate to the US. There must be some growing issues in Putin's back yard.

A classic would be to announce a new funding package the morning before the talks.
 
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XPE said:
And will try to get the rest in a few year.

What reason do we possibly have to believe him?
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Sounds like he's trying to undermine Ukraine's support.

One of the end to war would be that Russia allows Ukraine to take back what it has and allow nuclear weapons to be placed on it's soil to prevent protential re-invasion.

He is still gearing up production. His economy is toasted (especially with oil transport issues), and he's got a potential revolution. What he wants is time to build an army.

If Russia want an end to the war, he will need to de-arm.
 
NickK said:
Sounds like he's trying to undermine Ukraine's support.

One of the end to war would be that Russia allows Ukraine to take back what it has and allow nuclear weapons to be placed on it's soil to prevent protential re-invasion.

He is still gearing up production. His economy is toasted (especially with oil transport issues), and he's got a potential revolution. What he wants is time to build an army.

If Russia want an end to the war, he will need to de-arm.
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Russia occupies 20% of Ukraine, on what basis could Ukraine demand those sorts of terms?

Putin has had the same demands since prior to the invasion, which is that Ukraine shouldn't join NATO. Nothing will change on that, and nuclear weapons being based in Ukraine would probably result in Russia using tactical nuclear weapons.
 
No deals can be done with liar Putin. Press on and kick them out of Ukraine.

Incidentally it was being reported earlier that Trump is telling republican senators not to do a deal with Biden over the southern border because he wants to be able to blame Biden for illegal immigration during the election. The republicans have made the border issue contingent on continued funding for Ukraine
 
Roar87 said:
Russia occupies 20% of Ukraine, on what basis could Ukraine demand those sorts of terms?

Putin has had the same demands since prior to the invasion, which is that Ukraine shouldn't join NATO. Nothing will change on that, and nuclear weapons being based in Ukraine would probably result in Russia using tactical nuclear weapons.
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Gonna have to suck it up eventually ********. The only way Ukraine will have security, is if they have their own MAD counter. I doubt they'll even need anyone from NATO to help them build them.

Nuke Ukraine, Russia gets nuked back.
 
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