Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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jigger said:
Sigh.

The US and UK has been pushing for those things for decades. Nothing to do with Trump.

Trump would like to see/help Russia to supersede China and have the burden of war fall on Europe not the US. Trump could have drawn a line under the Ukraine-Russia issue when in office but chose not.
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He's been told that and shown the evidence numerous times, but it doesn't suit his pro-Trump agenda.
 
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Harlequin said:
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That's 8 years old, there's more recent information on his NATO views

www.politico.eu

What another Trump presidency would mean for NATO

Whether a reelected Trump would actually withdraw from the alliance as many fear is beside the point.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

Later, Trump informed European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, “You need to understand that if Europe is under attack, we will never come to help you and to support you,” according to an EU official present at the meeting. He then added, “By the way, NATO is dead, and we will leave, we will quit NATO.”


And while Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 reminded many of NATO’s value and importance — as well as that of the U.S. commitment to European security — Trump learned a different lesson. Calling Russian President Vladimir Putin “smart,” “savvy” and “a genius,” he claimed that if given the chance, he could end the war in “one day” by cutting off all U.S. assistance to Ukraine and telling Kyiv to make a deal with Moscow.


Today, Trump’s dislike for NATO remains undiminished, and were he to return to the Oval Office, there’s no doubt it would continue.
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Trumps over-riding motivation is what works for the greater glory of Donald Trump, it might not always be obvious but that is what is behind pretty much every decision he makes. Which can be anywhere from trying to start WW3 to the opposite extreme in any given moment.
 
Freakbro said:
He's been told that and shown the evidence numerous times, but it doesn't suit his pro-Trump agenda.
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Have noticed several times. Chap seems to have a ten post memory capacity.

No one man or even nation will change the Ukrainians situation apart from possibly Putin. Although even Putin will probably fall from a window before a solution is found.
 
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Harlequin said:
cheers, way more up to date than my link - so he`ll walk away from 75 years of nato then
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It's an interesting article from a previous US ambassador to NATO, worth a read tbh

As jigger says though, what Trump says and what Trump actually does can be different things, and as much as he can't unilaterally pull out of NATO - the other branches of legislature will oppose him, they also can't force a Trump administration to support NATO, since he is the Commander in Chief of the military.

What makes a security alliance effective isn’t some legal diktat, however — it’s the trust that allies have in each other, that they will come to each other’s defense, and the credibility of that commitment in the eyes of their adversaries. Legally binding commitments can solidify that trust, but they can’t sustain it on their own — let alone build it.


But whether Trump would actually withdraw from NATO as many fear — which any treaty ally can do under Article 13 — is beside the point. The simple fact is that his reelection would be seen as a fundamental repudiation of the trust NATO allies have placed in the U.S. to come to their defense in case of an armed attack. More so, now that the possibility of such an attack looms large in Europe after Russia’s brutal war in Ukraine. Neither allied leaders nor their publics would have any confidence that a Trump-led America would come to their aid.
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Freakbro said:
It's an interesting article from a previous US ambassador to NATO, worth a read tbh

As jigger says though, what Trump says and what Trump actually does can be different things, and as much as he can't unilaterally pull out of NATO - the other branches of legislature will oppose him, they also can't force a Trump administration to support NATO, since he is the Commander in Chief of the military.
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And (some) people think we should give up our nuclear weapons and rely on the US... (albeit our existing arsenal relies heavily on the US but that is another story).
 
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jigger said:
Sigh.

The US and UK has been pushing for those things for decades. Nothing to do with Trump.

Trump would like to see/help Russia to supersede China and have the burden of war fall on Europe not the US. Trump could have drawn a line under the Ukraine-Russia issue when in office but chose not.
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Not only that, the nations with below par spending had ALREADY COMMITTED to bringing it up.
Trump was literally making a fuss about something already solved in effect. But the low IQ, low energy types who think he was anything other than a grifter would not know that.

Also, Trump didn't like Germany buying Russian gas. Now I wonder, can anyone think of another nation who had dramatically increased shale gas production...
 
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Harlequin said:
I wonder if the UK still has to ask the USA if we can use them ;)
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If the UK were to be attacked we and the Americans launch everything. If the UK is not attacked the UK launches nothing. In simple terms, the UK decide what is launched from our territory including American missiles stationed in the UK.
 
Rroff said:
And (some) people think we should give up our nuclear weapons and rely on the US... (albeit our existing arsenal relies heavily on the US but that is another story).
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I think like many others I’d love to see the UK give up our nuclear weapons. But we disarm last.
 
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