Who can stoop the lowest wins, but all has long been lost.
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Who can stoop the lowest wins, but all has long been lost.
I come to this thread almost daily for this level of profound thought, from what I can only surmise are world leading experts in military and geopolitical analysis. Thank you for giving us these tidbits of insightful wisdom. To think this is only "napkin math" is honestly astounding to me.
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Word salad.
I think you come to this thread for other reasons. Back under the bridge with you. No billy goats here.
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Okay serious point, you have literally no idea how long Russia can sustain this war, there's probably a few dozen people with access to high level Western intelligence who could forecast a reasonable estimate, and none of them are posting it on Twitter.
Sadly as I said in 2022 this was always going to be a possibility as the war dragged on and something Putin was no doubt counting on
94% of Ukraine's anti air is of Soviet origin, which means their only sources for missiles are Russia, China, Iran or asking allies what they have rusting in the warehouse
They have now retrofitted multiple Buk launchers to fire AIM-7 Sea Sparrow missiles they only have a <15 mile range which means the launchers would have to be within artillery range to take out planes running CAS, quite dangerous. Though if there's one thing Russia showed in 2014 it's that Buks are pretty decent at running away real fast
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What happened to the air defence in this region seems weird considering it is a very hot part of the battlefield right now.
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Putin doesn't want another Biden term, its pure **** stirring. He didn't go from all in for Trump in 2016 and 2020 to now decide he wants Biden who has been a thorn in his side on Ukraine. The only reason he says he wants another 4 years of Biden is to make Biden seem like he's good for Russia and Trump is an adversary Putin doesn't want when the truth is the exact opposite. This guy was KGB after all.
No it shot down a Tornado in Iraq.
In it's defence though it's friend/foe system was malfunctioning (something they initially tried to blame on the Tornado knowing there wouldn't be enough of it left to check >.>).
You may wanna delete that before he RTMs you.
A little off topic but I found out the other day that we paid 60% more for our two floating turds than it would have cost to just buy a brand new Ford class nuclear CATOBAR carrier from the USA. Which would have been able to do the job of both of our carriers, significantly better.
Oh well that's what misplaced national pride gets you. Luckily Russia is currently feeling something similar (oh yay it was on topic haha).
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He's spent long enough withholding tanks and planes and long range munitions...
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Kremlin threatens to unleash Armageddon on West if it loses in Ukraine
Dmitry Medvedev - a close Putin ally - said if a military defeat led to a return to the 1991 frontiers, when the Soviet Union collapsed, Moscow would unleash Armageddon.
Soldato
I thought air defence battery were good though it just the other stuff.
He needs to stop dilly dallying and just be straight with Ukraine.
Like, "you can have the planes and long range munitions, but the second they cross the border into Russia your on your own, no more aid".
That would solve all the wests worries in that area (well that or Ukraine would do something triple stupid, but I have more faith in Zelenskyy than that).
94% of Ukraine's anti air is of Soviet origin, which means their only sources for missiles are Russia, China, Iran or asking allies what they have rusting in the warehouse
They have now retrofitted multiple Buk launchers to fire AIM-7 Sea Sparrow missiles but they only have a <15 mile range which means the launchers would have to be within artillery range to take out planes running CAS, quite dangerous. Though if there's one thing Russia showed in 2014 it's that Buks are pretty decent at running away real fast
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It is, but patriot is the mainstay, and that falls to the US.
Ukraine is screwed if we don't bloody knuckle down on the politicians BS of ' Russia can't win ' crap they love to spout to the cameras.
Happily corrected
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The Trumpets can’t help shield Putin with Trump in power and Trump is all over the place. Putin thought this war would have been done and forgotten about.
(NB: I originally wrote this for another forum but I figured the information was worth posting here too for educational purposes).
People keep asking what Russian air defences are doing, like they have ever done anything. Here is a verbose list of all the major successes of Russian/Soviet air defences in the past 25 years:
27 March 1999: Serbian forces hit the jackpot and the stars align for them to score a billion to one shoot down on an F-117 with an S-125
4 October 2001: Ukrainian forces accidentally shoot down an airliner with an S-200 after it misses it's target drone during an exercise then fails to self destruct
9 August 2008: Georgian forces shoot down a Russian Tu-22MR reconnaissance aircraft with a Buk
14 July 2014: Russian forces in eastern Ukraine shoot down a Ukrainian transport plane with a Buk
17 July 2014: Russian forces in eastern Ukraine accidentally shoot down an airliner with a Buk
8 January 2020: Iranian forces accidentally shoot down an airliner with a Tor
18 July 2022: Russian forces accidentally shoot down their own Su-34 with an undisclosed SAM
23 August 2023: Russian forces shoot down Wagner's airliner with an undisclosed SAM
15 Jan 2024: Ukraine shoot down an A-50 with an undisclosed SAM (potentially an S-200)
As you can see, there's only 9 of them, one of which was a fluke, one of which is still unconfirmed if it was a Russia/Soviet missile, and four of which were airliners with zero defensive measures or even a warning system to tell them to take evasive action. The only thing on the list that couldn't have been stopped by a missile from the 1950s (excluding the F-117 that was stopped by a missile from the 1950s due to a fluke) was their own Su-34!
Every single time Soviet/Russian air defence missiles have been used against anything worth defending against they have completely failed to do their job. They failed to protect Iraq from Israel, they failed to protect Iraq from the US led coalition, they failed to protect Serbia from NATO (scoring a billion to one hit on an F-117 does not make up for doing nothing against the 1000s of other bombing sorties flown), they failed to protect Iraq from another US led coalition, they failed to protect Libya from a French led coalition and they failed to protect Syria from a US led coalition. The only time they have ever actually performed above terrible was in the defence of Ukraine, because Ukraine spent eight years upgrading/modernising them to not suck.
So in answer to the previous question of what the Russia air defence is doing, the answer is sucking (as usual).
People keep asking what Russian air defences are doing, like they have ever done anything. Here is a verbose list of all the major successes of Russian/Soviet air defences in the past 25 years:
27 March 1999: Serbian forces hit the jackpot and the stars align for them to score a billion to one shoot down on an F-117 with an S-125
4 October 2001: Ukrainian forces accidentally shoot down an airliner with an S-200 after it misses it's target drone during an exercise then fails to self destruct
9 August 2008: Georgian forces shoot down a Russian Tu-22MR reconnaissance aircraft with a Buk
14 July 2014: Russian forces in eastern Ukraine shoot down a Ukrainian transport plane with a Buk
17 July 2014: Russian forces in eastern Ukraine accidentally shoot down an airliner with a Buk
8 January 2020: Iranian forces accidentally shoot down an airliner with a Tor
18 July 2022: Russian forces accidentally shoot down their own Su-34 with an undisclosed SAM
23 August 2023: Russian forces shoot down Wagner's airliner with an undisclosed SAM
15 Jan 2024: Ukraine shoot down an A-50 with an undisclosed SAM (potentially an S-200)
As you can see, there's only 9 of them, one of which was a fluke, one of which is still unconfirmed if it was a Russia/Soviet missile, and four of which were airliners with zero defensive measures or even a warning system to tell them to take evasive action. The only thing on the list that couldn't have been stopped by a missile from the 1950s (excluding the F-117 that was stopped by a missile from the 1950s due to a fluke) was their own Su-34!
Every single time Soviet/Russian air defence missiles have been used against anything worth defending against they have completely failed to do their job. They failed to protect Iraq from Israel, they failed to protect Iraq from the US led coalition, they failed to protect Serbia from NATO (scoring a billion to one hit on an F-117 does not make up for doing nothing against the 1000s of other bombing sorties flown), they failed to protect Iraq from another US led coalition, they failed to protect Libya from a French led coalition and they failed to protect Syria from a US led coalition. The only time they have ever actually performed above terrible was in the defence of Ukraine, because Ukraine spent eight years upgrading/modernising them to not suck.
So in answer to the previous question of what the Russia air defence is doing, the answer is sucking (as usual).
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I thought it was generally accepted the F117 was basically a planning error in that because it was a billion to one shot they didn't deviate enough in regards timing, course etc
So eventually the route was basically known and it was far far easier to intercept as they were monitoring a very small airspace closely, as opposed to trying to monitor a much wider airspace
Genuine question as to if the above was an urban myth or the truth.
So eventually the route was basically known and it was far far easier to intercept as they were monitoring a very small airspace closely, as opposed to trying to monitor a much wider airspace
Genuine question as to if the above was an urban myth or the truth.
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