Soldato
Ofcourse you would slant it that way.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Soldato
From what I have seen Ukrainian is mid 20s and Russian is probably 18?
Soldato
I don’t think he was correct. It would have taken longer to win without US troops, but the result would have been the same… in Europe at least.
Even so,,, this misses the point. Letting the Axis win in Europe would have created a vast expansionist European super state just across the Atlantic. Far more technologically advanced than the US
No prizes for where they were heading next.
Isolationism doesn’t work.
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They kept backing us with military aid right through to when they joined the war though.
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Russia would have taken all of Germany and likely stopped at the low countries - that was the demands after all. GB would have covered the missing US troops with far far more from its Empire but the result would have been the same. The question must also add the caveat - what if the USA hadnt had lend lease.
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27 for Ukraine and 18 (16) for Russia.
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If America had pulled all its support for us we'd have had to surrender, we could not have continued the fight and we'd be having this conversation in German.
Give Ukraine their nukes back so they can tell the squatters to get out or else. It might be the only way to wake up the Russian Zombie nation to do some protesting in enough numbers to make a difference, knowing their own lives are at risk if they don't do anything. It's better than wasting billions upon billions, of course there is a risk, but we get enough threats from them already so whatever.
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Its the food and resources that would have caused that not the direct conflict, and even then the Royal Navy was at its peak so could have kept the supply lines open. Rationing would be a lot harder. About the numbers; IF the USA was guaranteed to stay out of it , then Russia could well have lost. Why? German had about the same amount of troops in Norway alone (1941) than the USA sent to Europe for DDay in 1944.
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The Battle of Britain was won yes.
Could we have defeated the Nazis without the US?
No.
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Nazi`s had no naval force to invade the UK. Sealion was a bust from day 1.
The barges were full of German troops ready to invade.
With air support this could have happened.
RAF won that war.
And then Hitler's attention went to their "pals" in Russia.
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i know it was 27 but had heard they had lowered to 25
i posted about this before but outside the frontline infantry much of the logistics benefits from some experience in the real world, medics, engineers, mechanics etc
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Not all Republicans agree with this appeasement of Russia. The old school ones find this sort of thing absolutely nauseating.
Yes, of course it's deliberate. The problem is that the MAGA Republican Congress people are ignorant morally bankrupt fools who are keen to suck up to Trump so they can have his support and get a good position in Trump's next administration. They don't care if they have to throw Ukraine under a bus to do that, because let's face it, their voters (the average redneck in the Rust Belt/Deep South) couldn't care less about Ukraine either and hates* the idea of foreigners receiving their tax money.
* Interestingly, George W. Bush summed this selfish default attitude up perfectly when he was President. During a G7 + Russia conference to discuss making new aid packages to third-world countries he was asked why he didn't publicise all the good work US aid money was doing in developing countries. His reply was that if he paid for a bridge to be built in Nairobi his voters would demand to know why he didn't build that bridge in Nebraska!
The USA's system of democracy is flawed. That is why a minority of utter scumbags like these can ruin the country's response to an urgent crisis.
In the USA, those elected to the House of Representatives are elected for 2 years, the Senators are elected for 6 years and the President is elected for 4 years. The effect of this is that there have to be elections every 2 years in which all the first group's seats are on the line and one third of the Senators can be reelected or replaced. That means that when the President is elected he probably has a majority in the House and in the Senate, but 2 years later he could lose his majority in the House and/or the Senate, which would cripple his ability to carry out his manifesto promises made just 2 years earlier!
In this case, the balance of power in the House of Representatives is held by these MAGA loons who are controlled by Trump. Therefore, effectively, a prospective future President is crippling a sitting President's ability to pass the legislation he needs to pass, in order to make it easier to beat him in the next General Election. Trump is currently also using his shills to prevent Biden from passing a law to deal with the illegal immigration crisis on the southern border because he wants the issue to still be live during the election period for him to exploit.
Actually yes, we would have won. We had a nuclear program that was going to work; the Nazis did not. At that time we had an empire - mainly Canada, India, and Australia. Winning, however, would have taken much longer.
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The barges were literally coal barges, nothing like the landing craft used in 1944, and many would actually be towed across. Both Raeder and Goring argued against it and supported a naval blockade as the Home Fleet in Portsmouth alone was stronger than the entire Kriegsmarine (dont forget the losses at Norway!) None of the 4 battleships were available (Bismark had just been launched and the Scharnhorst's were wandering around on the distraction mission late september). Graf Spee had been sunk, Deutschland was around Canada, that left Admiral Sheer and Admiral Hipper being used for Operation Autumn Journey. Thats the bulk of the heavy capital ships. Have a look at Operation Lucid - the allies tried to send fire ships to the harbours to sink the wooden barges!
We didn't even win WW2, America and the USSR did.
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My apologise, a conmverwsation for another thread
How would we have delivered a nuke, and would we really have been prepared to pepper Europe with nukes to end the Nazi regime?
Anyway, as far as I remember the Russians received a lot of aid from the US in terms of equipment and finance, without/before sending US troops.
A bit pointless trying to figure out what would have happened tho in a hypothetical alternate reality, over a period of many years.. given such a tremendous deviation from what actually happened.
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