Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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If by we, you mean the UK, then you are delusional. The UK did not win the 2nd world war by itself and were it not for the US and the USSR most of Europe would still be speaking German. Also dangerous in those wars is not even close to what dangerous would mean in a full scale war with Russia today. The war would be over for both sides before it even really got off the ground and the aftermath would be cities that are unpopulable for decades with millions of corpses and millions more dying.

None of the so called wars we have had since are even remotely wars, our troops were basically fighting sandal wearing ex goat farmers and they still got their arses kicked.
I read statements like this so often. It doesn't really demonstrate any real comprehension of the complexity of modern day conflict though. Trying to compare it all to operations in the desert against insurgencies further confirms this.
 
The whole Putin is t he richest man spiel is a bit misleading because they ascribe all oligarch wealth to him because he either created them or allowed them to exist after Yeltsin era structure was replaced with military/intelligence structure.
misleading to the russian population predominately - would they look less sympathetically towards him at the 'voting' box if they knew -
albeit, corruption in business, maybe the populations, expectation.
comparatively
As far as leaders’ houses went, the Soviet Union’s general secretaries usually lived somewhere a step up from the “Tsar’s village,” but a far cry from Washington’s White House. Leonid Brezhnev refused a luxurious pad in Moscow's Patriarch's Pond area, for example, and lived in an apartment from his pre-General Secretary days at the prestigious
Putin want the restoration of, some, aspects of the USSR.

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eu sanction policy https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions/ukraine-crisis/
The persons designated today are members of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, who were elected to represent the illegally-annexed Crimean peninsula and the City of Sevastopol on 19 September 2021, as well as the head and deputy head of the Sevastopol electoral commission.

EU restrictive measures regarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine now apply to a total of 193 persons and 48 entities. Those designated persons are subject to an asset freeze – including a prohibition on making funds available to them - and a travel ban, which prevents them from entering or transiting through the EU.
 
If by we, you mean the UK, then you are delusional. The UK did not win the 2nd world war by itself and were it not for the US and the USSR most of Europe would still be speaking German. Also dangerous in those wars is not even close to what dangerous would mean in a full scale war with Russia today. The war would be over for both sides before it even really got off the ground and the aftermath would be cities that are unpopulable for decades with millions of corpses and millions more dying.

None of the so called wars we have had since are even remotely wars, our troops were basically fighting sandal wearing ex goat farmers and they still got their arses kicked.

This isn't remotely accurate, Taliban fighters suffered many times the causalities we did, at the end of the day though what did you want us to do, line up and shoot everyone we suspected of being a Taliban? Sit at home and wait for another terrorist attack by someone trained there?
 
I wonder if Ukraine could mount a takeover of the areas Putin claimed are independent. That wouldn't therefore be an attack against Russia now that he's publicly declared them to be independent. If Russia responded it would draw their forces away from Kiev but maybe Ukraine don't have the numbers to spread themselves thin.
 
Ukraine should be keeping its entire army together and mobile. They can't take Russia on all fronts simultaneously. They can fight one part of the Russian army, then fight other parts later. Losing territory is temporarily OK as long as you can recapture it.
 
Ben Wallace , said his regiment had 'kicked the backside' of the tsar in the Crimea and 'we can always do it again'.

Ben's ready to take on the Ruskies. :cry:

Edit. I'm sure that line is doing rounds over in Russia's media, just the perfect thing to say to assure people of Russia that Putin is indeed correct.
 
I wonder if Ukraine could mount a takeover of the areas Putin claimed are independent. That wouldn't therefore be an attack against Russia now that he's publicly declared them to be independent. If Russia responded it would draw their forces away from Kiev but maybe Ukraine don't have the numbers to spread themselves thin.
They did that already in 2014
 
It would be foolish to heap all our sanctions on in one round of measures as it leaves no room for responding with further sanctions if Putin persists with his invasion of Ukraine.

That's one view; the other view is that if Putin has already invaded it's clear sanctions aren't enough to deter him. What you need to show him is that you're serious about actually going ahead. Fully deploying sanctions now would indicate resolve and cause real pain to Russia's economy.
 
I don't think anything is going to stop him. I'm sure he knows what west can do. We can't do much so it's likely obvious.

He's weighed it up and is going in.
 
Snoopy UAV on flightradar with invalid transponder code LVS052 at 56000ft at 120kts (ground speed)?
Strange repeatable flight path too, across both affected regions of Ukraine

It's the Global Hawk. It's not a it's first Rodeo either.
You'll see it around a lot as it has been for the past 2-3+ weeks.
 
What country do you think he was born in ?

Latvia post USSR he is not that old but Latvia does have a huge Russian presence. A lot of Russians go on holiday there. Generally I have found they are the complete opposite to Lithuania who distinguish themselves as Lithuanian which is of no surprise as they were the first state to declare independence. My wife of 13 years is Lithuanian so have seen a lot of this first hand and even though my pool is small it is consistent.

I can guarantee Latvia and Estonia will be next if this Ukraine thing goes ahead.
 
Ben Wallace , said his regiment had 'kicked the backside' of the tsar in the Crimea and 'we can always do it again'.

Ben's ready to take on the Ruskies. :cry:

Edit. I'm sure that line is doing rounds over in Russia's media, just the perfect thing to say to assure people of Russia that Putin is indeed correct.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60496122

That is just painful to watch, we have a bunch of toddlers running the country.
 
The West could stop Russia if we really wanted to. There's no lack of military power on our side, just a lack of political will.

It's not fair to say it's a lack of political will, there's the very real threat of M.A.D occuring should any Western power start conflict with Russia, it's probably the only bluff everyone on the planet including Putin is scared to call, probably why every war since WW2 has involved nuclear powers fighting only non nuclear powers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60496122

That is just painful to watch, we have a bunch of toddlers running the country.

It's things like that empower Putin to do what he does, maybe though we can get Ben to charge the Russians on horseback for a laugh like old times eh
 
I assume because the "new" governments are just as corrupt and self serving as things were in the past. So I'm guessing thats the main reason why they say things were better under Soviet rule.

Not really. The Baltic states are all pretty good on transparency. Estonia in particular is less corrupt than most of the Western European countries.
 
Will Ukraine mount any sort of offense against the Russians or are they just going to accept it like they did with Crimea? It's not like they have any sort of chance of winning unless other countries support them.
No they don't have a chance of winning.

But would you let someone into your home to kill your kids and do nothing about it to try and save them?

Of course not but thats the same scenario here. When the shells start flying and the tanks come crashing their way though the streets running down everything in their way who do you think dies?

The civilians will die in their thousands, sons and daughters blown to pieces. War doesn't care who dies, it's the people whop are old enough that have to make the stand and try and stop those tanks.

God help them, we sit here safe, keyboard warriors whilst they suffer for real, born in the wrong place with no one to really help them.
 
Latvia post USSR he is not that old but Latvia does have a huge Russian presence. A lot of Russians go on holiday there. Generally I have found they are the complete opposite to Lithuania who distinguish themselves as Lithuanian which is of no surprise as they were the first state to declare independence. My wife of 13 years is Lithuanian so have seen a lot of this first hand and even though my pool is small it is consistent.

I can guarantee Latvia and Estonia will be next if this Ukraine thing goes ahead.

They're signed up to NATO though? Latvia is their PM I think it is was speaking on the news this morning displaying both the NATO and EU flags prominently nailing his colours to the mast there. Biden had better put some boots on the ground in the baltics in the not too distant future or Putin will surely take that as a sign of weakness.
 
I can guarantee Latvia and Estonia will be next if this Ukraine thing goes ahead.
Not likely, unless Russia wants to go straight heads up against the West. We have stacked those countries with NATO Hardware and manpower on constant rotation.

There is a wall of NATO from Estonia down to Poland, they were quick enough to get on the bandwagon whilst Russia was ill equipped to do anything about it. Had Ukraine not backed out due to Russian leaning president at the beginning of the last decade, they may have been in the same situation as their northern neighbours.
 
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