Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chuk_Chuk said:
Are you telling me that it was the people of ukraine that wanted to join Nato? really?
You think the west had no involvement in Ukraine prior to all of this?


Seeing things from another viewpoint doesn't automatically make you a supporter of them. Then again most people seem to struggle with understanding that concept these days.


I technically didn't say that. I try to also view things from other parties viewpoint rather than act like everyone who disagrees with me is a lunatic with no "logical" train of thought.
There is benefit from trying to understand other viewpoints so that you can understand how a situation arose and properly take steps to avoid it in future. As funny as it may seem to go "haha putin crazy" it is not helpful.

I think the west played with fire and tried to expand their influence and Ukraine got burnt. I also think there are benefits to having multiple superpowers that keep each other in check.

P.S. Where do you think my claims are wrong so i know for future reference?
P.S.S What do you think Russia should do while the west expands their influence? Should they roll over and take it?
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So Russia is allowed to meddle in Ukraine to keep their stooge but the West which is composed of other countries on Ukraine's borders can't? Russia's aggression prior to 2014 pretty much necessitated some form of action assuming of course it wasn't just a minor nudge in a greater displeasure among Ukrainians with a leader who happily mowed down hundreds of his own citizens.
 
BowdonUK said:
Does anyone know when Boris is going to make his statement to the nation?

It just says this morning on tv.
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5pm I thought. Not that it will be anything exciting. Maybe announcing he's giving the money back to the Russians who've been bankrolling his party.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Ukraine invasion in a nutshell.

I declare Chuk Chuk's garage is now independent and I shall be moving my stuff in later today.

Sometime next week I am going to send in the boys and take over the whole house, just because I don't want him sign up to a John Lewis Loyalty card.
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I'll get a bunch of me and my mates to plant bombs next to your house. So we cool right?
 
What Ukraine really needs is some air defence assistance to stop Russia dominating. Then Ukraine could probably handle the boots on the ground.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Whatever, your house will no longer be yours.
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I'm chucks neighbour. We get on. But we aren't best mates. I shout over the fence to you. Oi, stop that or I ill come and steal your wheelie bin.

But I'm not good enough mates to go help keep you out of his garage directly.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I technically didn't say that.
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So what are you saying., and what is your position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

I think the west played with fire and tried to expand their influence and Ukraine got burnt.
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Evidence please.

P.S. Where do you think my claims are wrong so i know for future reference?
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You've claimed that the West:

* stuck nukes on Russian's borders
* tried to close off one of Russia's points of access to the sea

Evidence please.

P.S.S What do you think Russia should do while the west expands their influence? Should they roll over and take it?
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You'll need to be specific about this alleged expansion of influence. What exactly are you referring to, and how does it affect Russia? Has the West infiltrated Russian territory and tried to create breakaway states? Has the West attacked sovereign Russian territory? Has the West asked any of Russia's neighbours to take hostile action against her?

Where is this 'influence' that Russia is supposed to be terribly concerned about?
 
iamtheoneneo said:
Sanctions really don't matter, they are used as posturing for the West to pretend they are doing something.
Maria Zakharova was laughing to the press about sanctions yesterday. They really don't care.
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What do you expect them to do? Beg on TV for them not to do it. They need to appear strong.
 
From what I've seen Russia carried out strategic missiles strikes against Ukrainian military infrastructure, even so far to the west as Lviv, we have videos of that so this is more or less confirmed at this point.

There were some reports that DNR/LNR started an offensive and taking towns on the Ukrainian side of demilitarised zone.

I have not heard of anything to suggest that Russia is entering Kyiv or any other regions.

Is this correct or is there evidence of full scale invasion across various fronts?
 
413x said:
I'm chucks neighbour. We get on. But we aren't best mates. I shout over the fence to you. Oi, stop that or I ill come and steal your wheelie bin.

But I'm not good enough mates to go help keep you out of his garage directly.
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I can't hear you, I am too busy moving in.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
So America has no nukes or army bases near the Russian?
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You're moving the goalposts.

First you said 'We/America stuck nukes on their borders.'

Now you say 'nukes or army bases near the Russians' (how near, exactly?)

Please choose a claim and stick to it. When I finally know which version you're using, I'll know what I'm responding to.
 
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