Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Johno please? said:
Ah Kofi Annan, wouldnt take his word for much seeing as he was happy to let hundreds of thousands of africans die on his watch.

Saddam had WMDs, what did he use against the Iranian, Shia and Kurdish people? Then theres the nuclear bomb he was trying to aquire.

We couldn't even account for all the weapons he admitting to having, I mean you can read all this on wikipedia its not some back end of nowhere internet myth, its just we were sold a mem by the media.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/03/so-mr-hitchens-weren-t-you-wrong-about-iraq.html
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C’mon dude they found nothing because they had nothing. We might have sold them chemical weapons in the 80’s but we had no proof the had anything in 2003.

UN weapons inspectors worked in Iraq from November 27, 2002 until March 18, 2003. During that time, inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the United Nations Monitoring, Verification, and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) conducted more than 900 inspections at more than 500 sites. The inspectors did not find that Iraq possessed chemical or biological weapons or that it had reconstituted its nuclear weapons program.

Although Iraq was cooperative on what inspectors called “process”—allowing inspectors access to suspected weapons sites, for example—it was only marginally cooperative in answering the questions surrounding its weapons programs. Unable to resolve its differences with Security Council members who favored strengthening and continuing weapons inspections, the United States abandoned the inspections process and initiated the invasion of Iraq on March 19.

Following is a summary of the major events of the decision to pursue, then abandon, UN weapons inspections in Iraq.
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0007 said:

Sanctions in the energy sector are necessary I think
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Macron is mad Putin whispered sweet nothing into his ear and lied to him

StriderX said:
Any conflict that involved conventional arms and tactics was dealt with swiftly (except Korea where China ensured a stalemate), as soon as the mission turns to occupation in the middle of a guerrilla war then such an advantage dissipates because it's more about winning the minds of people than it is destroying armour or flattening squads of people.
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I don't agree with your assessment, how conflicts do we need to realise they will always end in guerrilla warfare, that is part & parcel of a conventional war, not even sure it would reach guerrila levels against a fairly evenly matched opponent
 
dowie said:
Pfft, you've gotta be kidding. It's not all about troop numbers, US would easily get air superiority and A10s and attack helicopters would quite easily destroy Russian armour.
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Indeed. I feel the USA's tech/equipment advantage would be significant.
 
Doobedoo said:
Really have not been reading this thread. “Normal” people calling for assassination, Nuclear war, burning environmentalists and no doubt more.

The whole world has gone nuts, less so if you don’t watch the news though :D
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Ignoring the temporal problems of such an act, would you have ridden the world of Hitler before he rose to a position to threaten Europe?

I mean much the same rhetoric has been flowing out of Putin not long after becoming president and continues to evolve into ever more bellicose language.
 
dowie said:
Pfft, you've gotta be kidding. It's not all about troop numbers, US would easily get air superiority and A10s and attack helicopters would quite easily destroy Russian armour.
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Correct, if the west get involved, russia has no chance without Nukes.

its just a shame France have already surrendered
 
dowie said:
Pfft, you've gotta be kidding. It's not all about troop numbers, US would easily get air superiority and A10s and attack helicopters would quite easily destroy Russian armour.
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It depends where the battlefield was.

If it was in or near Russia the US would struggle to take out all the anti air assets because Russia is huge and well defended.


If it was neutral ground, maybe.
 
beachBOYken said:
Does anyone else fear other countries getting dragged into this war?
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No. I think all allied countries have pretty much said they won't deploy their own soldiers.

So it means the only way of expressing unhappiness with Russia is by impacting their economy and degrading the way of Russian life.
 
Semple said:
No. I think all allied countries have pretty much said they won't deploy their own soldiers.

So it means the only way of expressing unhappiness with Russia is by impacting their economy and degrading the way of Russian life.
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This is more important to Putin.

A quote from Wiki:

After Putin resumed the presidency in 2012, his rule is best described as "manual management" as the Russians like to put it. Putin does whatever he wants, with little consideration to the consequences with one important caveat. During the Russian financial crash of August 1998, Putin learned that financial crises are politically destabilizing and must be avoided at all costs. Therefore, he cares about financial stability.
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Armageus said:
A soundbite and some half hearted sanctions are neither going to scare Putin or reassure Ukrainians.

We applied weak sanctions yesterday, and even now aren't looking at anything much more tangible. Our sanction response yesterday needed to be something to actually act as some kind of deterrent.
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We have sanctions and that's it, I don't think Putin is expecting or planning for the maximum economic sanctions from the West, whether we applied them yesterday or today we have the same outcome. There's nothing we can realistically do to stop this.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
If I were in Moldova, I'd feel pretty nervous now.
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I'd just read that Lithuania and Estonia are declaring state of emergencies / going on high alert.

If one of your fellow ex-soviet neighbours is under attack by what was the biggest soviet territory, you can bet they're worried about whether Vlad will target them next.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Out of interest, what do you expect him to say instead?
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I keep expecting him to role out his package of sanctions that he claimed was all ready to go should things escalate? The west has seen this coming for weeks but still there is no unified response surely they know what sanctions they are going to apply and all NATO countries could have announced an applied them as soon as Russia crossed the boarder. I do not expect a military response but it would be nice to see our leaders do something other than gas.
 
Supremacist said:
Why are we only sanctioning and targeted at that rather than a full blown blockade? North Korea style
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I imagine it has something to do with Europe's massive reliance on Russian oil, gas and coal.

They're trying to strike the balance between being seen to do something vs the relationship deteriorating to such an extent 40% of the continents energy resource vanishes almost overnight.
 
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