Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Funny how people jump on this sort of stuff as an "ahaha!! GOTCHA!" - when in this specific example it was clearly a mistake not a bare-faced lie - he probably meant grandfather and the whole grandfather-Zelensky thing is pretty well documented.

Heck, for all we know even the translator could have got this wrong in the moment because Father and Grandfather don't sound entirely dissimilar when talking fast (at least for a westerner like me). That translator had his work cut out for sure.

It's very likely that Putin was just mistaken, but 'отец' and 'Дед' sound nothing alike in Russian. You can ask Google to pronounce them, you'll immediately hear that the grunting noises are completely different.
 
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It's very likely that Putin was just mistaken, but 'отец' and 'Дед' sound nothing alike in Russian. You can ask Google to pronounce them, you'll immediately hear that the grunting noises are completely different.

I think FirebarUK meant the other way around - that the translator maybe didn't know the correct word for grandfather in English or mixed it up in quickly trying to translate. Sometimes between the two languages there isn't a direct translation especially for some of the more archaic phrasing.
 
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Ukrainian telegram claims that today for the first time Russia launched a Zircon hypersonic anti ship missile at Ukraine in a land attack (this missile has a land attack mode as claimed by Russia) and they claim to have shot it down too.

Russia claims the Zircon is a scramjet hypersonic ballistic missile that travels at up to Mach 9 and has a range of 1000km. The missile entered Russian service 2 years ago and costs $10 million per unit

If true that is good news indeed. I wonder what high value Ukrainian target Russia thought was worth the use of their state of the art $10,000,000 missile? School, maternity hospital or pizza parlour?
 
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Doesn’t matter about speed…

If you can see it, you can calculate its trajectory…

If you can see it trajectory you can fill a space it’s going to fly through with debris…

It’s why Russia is struggling with the storm shadow. Their radars can’t see them and when they turn them on they get targeted by asrams
 
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Doesn’t matter about speed…

If you can see it, you can calculate its trajectory…

If you can see it trajectory you can fill a space it’s going to fly through with debris…

It’s why Russia is struggling with the storm shadow. Their radars can’t see them and when they turn them on they get targeted by asrams

That is where manoeuvrable (though it is all relative) hypersonic missiles are supposed to come in, though in reality that only poses a problem if a country launches a large number of them at targets which don't have advanced air-defences on location. Plus so far Russia doesn't appear to have been able to conduct a successful hypersonic missile test above half the on paper speeds.

Some people (admittedly far more knowledgeable than myself) have suggested otherwise and it isn't something I have inside knowledge on but I've seen some information which suggests Storm Shadow/Scalp potentially has some additional specialised features (I don't mean anything magic here but some little additional tweaks) of its navigation system to help it avoid air-defences compared to some of the other similar missiles, even ones based on a similar platform, the performance so far in Ukraine seems to lean towards that as well - I don't think it is entirely down to Russian systems being a shambles.
 
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Doesn’t matter about speed…

If you can see it, you can calculate its trajectory…

If you can see it trajectory you can fill a space it’s going to fly through with debris…

It’s why Russia is struggling with the storm shadow. Their radars can’t see them and when they turn them on they get targeted by asrams

Well I’m calling BS on Mach 9 claims for two reasons. One it’s Russia and secondly it’s Mach 9

But that’s just a hair under 3100 metres per second. You wouldn’t see it.
 
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So apparently the US have outright said no to negotiations.

Seems a shame they don’t want to at least ‘try’ - surely that’s the first step toward any sort of peace no matter how remote the chances of achieving it are on the first attempt.

I do understand the reluctance and complete distrust of the other side but someone has got to start somewhere?

Russia clearly aren’t going anywhere and Ukraine aren’t going to stop defending themselves either so surely actual dialogue would help towards an end of the continual and tragic loss of human life
 
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Seen this on another form, anyone know if we can corroborate this? Do the Russians reuse tank number?

(Left the posters name in it to give them credit)

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Russia bring out a little bit of history maybe.
 
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So apparently the US have outright said no to negotiations.

Seems a shame they don’t want to at least ‘try’ - surely that’s the first step toward any sort of peace no matter how remote the chances of achieving it are on the first attempt.

I do understand the reluctance and complete distrust of the other side but someone has got to start somewhere?

Russia clearly aren’t going anywhere and Ukraine aren’t going to stop defending themselves either so surely actual dialogue would help towards an end of the continual and tragic loss of human life

With Mexico?
 
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I think FirebarUK meant the other way around - that the translator maybe didn't know the correct word for grandfather in English or mixed it up in quickly trying to translate. Sometimes between the two languages there isn't a direct translation especially for some of the more archaic phrasing.
My best friend is a fluent Russian speaker (he and his wife communicate in Russian) and he said the translator did a pretty good job and that this was just a mistake by Putin. (The word for "Father" and "Grandfather" are not really close in Russian)
 
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So apparently the US have outright said no to negotiations.

Seems a shame they don’t want to at least ‘try’ - surely that’s the first step toward any sort of peace no matter how remote the chances of achieving it are on the first attempt.

I do understand the reluctance and complete distrust of the other side but someone has got to start somewhere?

Russia clearly aren’t going anywhere and Ukraine aren’t going to stop defending themselves either so surely actual dialogue would help towards an end of the continual and tragic loss of human life

What is there to negotiate? Putin is convinced he'll win, eventually, the only outcome of any negotiation would be to weaken Ukraine's hand while Russia gets a strategic pause before pushing on again.
 
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So apparently the US have outright said no to negotiations.

Seems a shame they don’t want to at least ‘try’ - surely that’s the first step toward any sort of peace no matter how remote the chances of achieving it are on the first attempt.

I do understand the reluctance and complete distrust of the other side but someone has got to start somewhere?

Russia clearly aren’t going anywhere and Ukraine aren’t going to stop defending themselves either so surely actual dialogue would help towards an end of the continual and tragic loss of human life
:confused: This isnt US's place to say yes or no! They can support Ukrainian decisions or disagree if they so wish. Ultimately its Ukraine/Russia who will decide if it wants to push for negotiations. They are the primary parties in this conflict, other nations can support or withdraw support, they can try influence and apply pressure diplomatically but as much as they might like to think they do, they dont dictate the outcome unless they decide they want to join in the fun and games...
 
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