United Sign new striker.

[atpbx]

The problem with united is the team management, Fergie is only as good as his second, Carlos Queiroz was responsible for some of the best football ever seen in the Premier league, and also for telling Fergie when he was getting it wrong.
Nobody tells him he is getting it wrong now, everybody needs somebody to keep them in check.

On another point, no you dont need need a team of 11 superstars, you need a team of 11 good players who complement each other, mabye with one or two of them being superstars.
United do not have this, United have Rooney, Evra, Ferdinand, and Vidic who are excellent, then they have Valencia Nani and Fletcher who are okay in their own ways, then they have a list of has beens, blow outs, busted flushes and simply not good enoughs that include the likes of Berbatov, Giggs, Scholes, O'shea, Carrick, Park, Gibson, Neville, Kuzzzchakkkkk, Owen, VDS, Evans, Obertan, Tosic, Hargreaves and Foster who WOULD NOT get anywhere near the starting line up of any of the other top teams in the league.

 

[Shamikebab]

You mean Smalling and the Mexican?

Nope it's 2 in addition to those.

 

[Tom84]

Berbatov, Giggs, Scholes, O'shea, Carrick, Park, Gibson, Neville, Kuzzzchakkkkk, Owen, VDS, Evans, Obertan, Tosic, Hargreaves and Foster who WOULD NOT get anywhere near the starting line up of any of the other top teams in the league.

Hhhmmmm the top teams in the league, so that would be

Chelsea
Man Utd
Arsenal
Man City
Tottenham

I can almost certainly say that Berbatov would walk straight into the first team of both Arsenal, City & Spurs, O'Shea would also be a marked improvement for both City & Spurs and his versatility would be ideal for Arsenal, Carrick would also walk straight into the Arsenal, City & Spurs midfield, VDS is among the best 3 keepers in the league so would be a massive improvement over Almunia, Evans is one of the best young defenders in the league and Hargreaves when fit would also walk into the starting 11 of Arsenal, City and Spurs

What you actually mean is how many of our players would get in the Chelsea, Barcelona or Real Madrid teams which just proves my point about your sort who unless United can claim to have the best 11 in the world just **** and moan over and over and over again

 

[nicktay2605]

What you actually mean is how many of our players would get in the Chelsea, Barcelona or Real Madrid teams which just proves my point about your sort who unless United can claim to have the best 11 in the world just **** and moan over and over and over again

Completely agree with this. As Real Madrid are showing this season, having the best 11 doesn't guarantee you success. This season was always going to be difficult, United lost two of their best players last season, and as a result the squad looks a bit weaker. Possibly the strengths of the first 11 when United still had Ronaldo and Tevez hid the weaknesses in the squad. I think it's over the top to suggest that 10+ players need to go as atpbx suggests. United do, however, need to face the realisation that they lack a truly creative midfielder, that Scholes, Giggs and Neville are getting on a bit (most obvious in Neville's performances IMO), and that Berbatov simply hasn't cut it.

Also, while VDS has had another good season, he surely can't maintain such a level much longer than one more season, so a replacement is necessary. I'm impressed with Alves, the Almeria keeper (who Real Madrid are tracking).

I'd love it if United could sign David Villa, he has scored 20+ goals for Valencia for 5 seasons in a row. In any league that is an achievement. Some papers were suggesting Benzema would be better because he is stronger so may suite the Prem better, but I think that's complete rubbish (just look at how well Torres has coped).

To summarise, a new attacking central midfielder would be nice, as would Villa and a new goalkeeper. Other than that I think the team, so long as nobody else leaves, is fine.

 

[atpbx]

Hhhmmmm the top teams in the league, so that would be

Chelsea
Man Utd
Arsenal
Man City
Tottenham

I can almost certainly say that Berbatov would walk straight into the first team of both Arsenal, City & Spurs, O'Shea would also be a marked improvement for both City & Spurs and his versatility would be ideal for Arsenal, Carrick would also walk straight into the Arsenal, City & Spurs midfield, VDS is among the best 3 keepers in the league so would be a massive improvement over Almunia, Evans is one of the best young defenders in the league and Hargreaves when fit would also walk into the starting 11 of Arsenal, City and Spurs

What you actually mean is how many of our players would get in the Chelsea, Barcelona or Real Madrid teams which just proves my point about your sort who unless United can claim to have the best 11 in the world just **** and moan over and over and over again

I dont think you understand what I've written, or more accurately you've had a quick glance at who has written it and done your usual trick of just flying off the handle at a tangent.

Lets put it out there to other fans of all the teams in the league in a poll, we can get a don to put up the squad list and everybody gets to say which players they would welcome in their side, bearing in mind they would have to DROP their current first team player from that position.

Just on a point of fact, who would carrick (playmaker) oust in the arsenal midfield bearing in mind how Arsenal play.
Who would he displace in the spurs midfield? or citys?

Which striker would Berbatov replace in the spurs line up? bearing in mind who they have already? Also, seeing as its looking increasingly likely he is being shipped out in the summer, it seems its finally sunken in with the united management that he doesnt fit in, just like certain fans said he wouldnt.

When you've listed that, read again the preceding line to the players listed, it has several words that describe different states of being.

For instance, saying "a fully fit Hargreaves would walk into any side" is pointless. Hargreaves hasnt played football in nearly two years, he isnt fully fit, he isnt available, and hasnt been available for two years, therefore he isnt going to be walking into anybodies side, at all.

 

[Tom84]

To summarise, a new attacking central midfielder would be nice, as would Villa and a new goalkeeper. Other than that I think the team, so long as nobody else leaves, is fine.

Agree

An attacking left sided player ala Joe Cole who would be great on a free or dare I say Modric and then a top class striker although I think Dzeko would be the better fit than Villa (younger thus has the sell on factor, wouldn't necessarily demand a starting place week in week out like Villa & probably wouldn't cost as much)

 

[atpbx]

Completely agree with this. As Real Madrid are showing this season, having the best 11 doesn't guarantee you success. This season was always going to be difficult, United lost two of their best players last season, and as a result the squad looks a bit weaker. Possibly the strengths of the first 11 when United still had Ronaldo and Tevez hid the weaknesses in the squad. I think it's over the top to suggest that 10+ players need to go as atpbx suggests. United do, however, need to face the realisation that they lack a truly creative midfielder, that Scholes, Giggs and Neville are getting on a bit (most obvious in Neville's performances IMO), and that Berbatov simply hasn't cut it.

Given the fact that At least of three of the players i've listed WILL be going this summer without question its not over the top.
Big mistakes in how the team has been maintained have been made over the past two years, starting with the failure to sign Tevez after his first season, continuing with the Berbatov debacle, then the failure to address the lack of pace and power in the midfield, on top of the failure to sign a decent replacement keeper, combined with not signing a decent center half.

ALL positions I said needed reinforcing last summer and ALL these positions have been found lacking this season.

 

[Tom84]

Just on a point of fact, who would carrick (playmaker) oust in the arsenal midfield bearing in mind how Arsenal play.
Who would he displace in the spurs midfield? or citys?

Which striker would Berbatov replace in the spurs line up? bearing in mind who they have already? Also, seeing as its looking increasingly likely he is being shipped out in the summer, it seems its finally sunken in with the united management that he doesnt fit in, just like certain fans said he wouldnt.

Arsenal:

Carrick - Song - Fabregas
Nasri - Van Persie - Arshavin

Spurs:

Lennon - Carrick - Palacios - Modric
------------Berbatov
----------------Defoe

City:

Johnson - Carrick - Barry - Bellamy
--------------Berbatov
-----------------Tevez


I find it hard to believe that any Arsenal, Spurs or City fan would disagree that Carrick and Berbatov in their team wouldn't be an improvement considering they'd be replacing a Denilson, Huddlestone, Crouch or Adebayor

Oh and I'd bet my house on Berbatov still being at Old Trafford next season fyi

 

[FrankJH]

I would bet Carrick will still be at OT next season, less certain about Berbatov though (unless we get Milner and Hargreaves has fully recovered) from the British quotiant if nothing else

Personally dont think anyone can even consider Hargreaves any blame - its not like he ever wanted to be injured, or didnt ever try to get fit again, to issue blame on him is pretty rich (and to sell him now just when he is included in a squad is stupidity beyond belief)

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Arsenal:

Carrick - Song - Fabregas
Nasri - Van Persie - Arshavin

Carrick wouldn't get anywhere near the current Arsenal side imo. You mentioned Denilson but forgot about Ramsey, Wilshere and Rosicky. I would be very surprised if any Arsenal supporters would have him in their team tbh.

Considering how Arsenal play, Wenger signing Carrick would be as daft as Fergie breaking up the most lethal front three the Premiership's ever seen (Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez) by buying Berbatov. Oh wait, he did that already...

 

[Shamikebab]

Wilshere can't get near the first team squad, Ramsey has barely played (and only seems to play when Cesc doesn't) and I just don't rate Denilson in the slightest, an on form Carrick would be in the team ahead of those 3 alongside Cesc and Song.

 

[nicktay2605]

Agree

An attacking left sided player ala Joe Cole who would be great on a free or dare I say Modric and then a top class striker although I think Dzeko would be the better fit than Villa (younger thus has the sell on factor, wouldn't necessarily demand a starting place week in week out like Villa & probably wouldn't cost as much)

True, Dzeko does look promising, and wouldn't necessarily expect a starting place every week. Only thing is I really think United need an established goalscorer who can help out Rooney with the goalscoring. Rooney isn't always going to score as many goals as this season and the rest of the team haven't really contributed that many goals so I think United need to try to get someone who is likely to get 20+ goals per season. Problem with Dzeko is that he isn't necessarily going to do that, he's more of a prospect than a proven goalscorer at the highest level.

 

[Shamikebab]

dare I say Modric and then a top class striker although I think Dzeko would be the better fit than Villa (younger thus has the sell on factor, wouldn't necessarily demand a starting place week in week out like Villa & probably wouldn't cost as much)

Modric? With what money exactly?

Dzeko has said time and time again that Milan is his preferred move. And I just can't see Fergie going for Villa or him wanting to move here.


Oh and at the above post, Dzeko a prospect who wouldn't want to start every week? He's 24 and has been starting for the German champions, he's also wanted by some of the top clubs in the world.

 

[nicktay2605]

Modric? With what money exactly?

Dzeko has said time and time again that Milan is his preferred move. And I just can't see Fergie going for Villa or him wanting to move here.


Oh and at the above post, Dzeko a prospect who wouldn't want to start every week? He's 24 and has been starting for the German champions, he's also wanted by some of the top clubs in the world.

What I meant was that Villa would be a better buy than Dzeko because he has played at pretty much every level possible. And I didn't say Dzeko wouldn't want to start every week, that he might not expect to start every week. Yes Dzeko may play for the German champions but despite the champions league results this season there is still quite a difference in the quality of the premier league and Bundesliga. With all respect to Wolfsburg, United are a much bigger team.

atpbx, which of those 3 players you mentioned are definitely going this summer?

 

[Cob]

Didn't think much of Dzeko when he played against Fulham. He did nothing over the two legs.

 

[Tom84]

Modric? With what money exactly?

Erm I dont know the 30 million we had when we bid for Benzema maybe? Not to mention the x amount that SAF already has in this summers budget

Dzeko has said time and time again that Milan is his preferred move. And I just can't see Fergie going for Villa or him wanting to move here.

Milan wanted him last summer that's all, no player in their right mind would pick Serie A over the Premiership in this day and age

Oh and at the above post, Dzeko a prospect who wouldn't want to start every week? He's 24 and has been starting for the German champions, he's also wanted by some of the top clubs in the world.

What's that got to do with the price of fish? He's not what anyone in their right mind would class as a galatico or whatever an equivalent is thus he wouldn't get too big for his boots getting left out now and again in the big big games like a certain Tevez did or Villa undoubtedly would

 

[Tom84]

Didn't think much of Dzeko when he played against Fulham. He did nothing over the two legs.

Managed to score two great headers against us though

 

[Tom84]

Carrick wouldn't get anywhere near the current Arsenal side imo. You mentioned Denilson but forgot about Ramsey, Wilshere and Rosicky. I would be very surprised if any Arsenal supporters would have him in their team tbh.

Carrick would easily get a game ahead of two very young players & Rosicky isn't a centre midfielder. The only player you could maybe have a point with is Diaby but seeing as Fabregas is off in the summer anyway they'd still be a spot for Carrick in their midfield

Funny how you say that Carrick wouldn't fit in at Arsenal yet Wenger openly wanted to sign both Gareth Barry & Xabi Alonso 2 years back both of who are very similar to Carrick

 

[Shamikebab]

Erm I dont know the 30 million we had when we bid for Benzema maybe? Not to mention the x amount that SAF already has in this summers budget

Ok, so:

1. What makes you think 30m would be enough
2. What makes you think Spurs would sell
3. What makes you think that Modric wants to leave?

Milan wanted him last summer that's all, no player in their right mind would pick Serie A over the Premiership in this day and age

If it just came down to football then no, yet players still do...perhaps because there might be more to it than just footballing reasons?

What's that got to do with the price of fish? He's not what anyone in their right mind would class as a galatico or whatever an equivalent is thus he wouldn't get too big for his boots getting left out now and again in the big big games like a certain Tevez did or Villa undoubtedly would

I never said he was, but saying he's a "prospect" is a bit silly. And what makes you think he would or wouldn't act like that?

 

[Tom84]

Ok, so:

1. What makes you think 30m would be enough
2. What makes you think Spurs would sell
3. What makes you think that Modric wants to leave?

1. What makes you think it wouldn't? In truth he wouldn't even fetch that much
2. Because they sold Carrick when we came calling, they sold Berbatov when we came calling, they're already covered in the wide positions with Lennon, Bentley, Kranjcar & Rose so could easily use the 20+ million to invest elsewhere in their squad
3. Because Man Utd is the biggest club in England, one of the biggest in the world & Spurs aren't to be quite frank. Add to that he'll have a chance of winning major trophies at Man Utd and playing in the Champions League year in year out. Oh and Man Utd will obviously pay him a lot more than Spurs can

I never said he was, but saying he's a "prospect" is a bit silly.

Hhhmmm and I said that where?