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Indeed.
There would seem to be some quite strong reports coming out of Spain saying that albeit what has been said already, Benzema is being pursued by Fergie for 17m and Madrid are prepared to sell him.
I wouldn't be disappointed with that to be fair.
I wouldn't be disappointed with that to be fair.
wont believe a word the press say until I see a pic of Fergie and x with an Aon shirt lol
(even moneybags Real Madrid wouldnt throw away £15-20m in a season surely)
edit - on a slightly different note RM are already claiming that they have made Cristiano's transfer fee back already in CR shirt sales in the 10 months or so since the sale happened. To be fair I can easily believe that given the world wide popularity of RM
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yawn fest. heres gimp, nothing to say about the topic, get used to it. he'll be here all day.
papers today say rooney for 90million to real.
wouldnt like to see that happen tbh. its a lot of money.
sell berbatov, carrick, obertan, bring in... Benzema, pray that hargreaves is fit...then find another good center mid
we might do okay next season.
at the end of the day G|mp, given how much more we have spent than arsenal over the last few years - why are we so close to them in the league? something is clearly wrong somewhere.
i have tried to identify it, if you think im incorrect in my assumption why not make your own instead of trying to insult me?
Nickg you are absolutely hilarious.
I cannot believe you'd even begin to say something like 'why are we so close to arsenal in the league?' What an absolutely ridiculous statement.
Arsenal do have a good side. But, we are so close to them this season due to having a 'poor' season, and it's considered 'poor' due to the recent success we have had and the big gap that there was between the quality when we had Ronaldo. We have been very compettitive still this year without Ronaldo, where a lot of people said we wouldn't even challenge. The title would have been ours if Rooney didn't get injured, IMO.
Despite that, like before, I think it is silly to rely on one player. (CR before, WR now.)
Valencia has done a good job down the wing, Nani is steadily improving.
Berbatov I do love him, but we cannot rely on him for goals or a lone striker at the moment and it just isn't working. However, I don't see us selling him, because we won't be getting much money for him.
As to the Midfield, personally I can't see Giggs or Scholes giving it up for another year. Perhaps the end of next season. The people saying sell Giggs or Scholes are insane. Why the heck would we sell them, we want them to retire with us, not try and ship them out the door after all they have done.
Carrick can have fantastic games and he can have damn right awful games. Again, I can't see us realisticly selling him at all, really can't.
I personally think we need to bring in a Striker, GK and a defensive cover in either CB or RB. I can see O'Shea/Brown/Rafael sharing RB for a while until Raf can take it on himself completely, or one takes the crown.
Given how much more money we have spent than Arsenal Nickg, how many more trophies have we won over the past few years..
I cannot believe you'd even begin to say something like 'why are we so close to arsenal in the league?' What an absolutely ridiculous statement.
Arsenal do have a good side. But, we are so close to them this season due to having a 'poor' season, and it's considered 'poor' due to the recent success we have had and the big gap that there was between the quality when we had Ronaldo. We have been very compettitive still this year without Ronaldo, where a lot of people said we wouldn't even challenge. The title would have been ours if Rooney didn't get injured, IMO.
Despite that, like before, I think it is silly to rely on one player. (CR before, WR now.)
Valencia has done a good job down the wing, Nani is steadily improving.
Berbatov I do love him, but we cannot rely on him for goals or a lone striker at the moment and it just isn't working. However, I don't see us selling him, because we won't be getting much money for him.
As to the Midfield, personally I can't see Giggs or Scholes giving it up for another year. Perhaps the end of next season. The people saying sell Giggs or Scholes are insane. Why the heck would we sell them, we want them to retire with us, not try and ship them out the door after all they have done.
Carrick can have fantastic games and he can have damn right awful games. Again, I can't see us realisticly selling him at all, really can't.
I personally think we need to bring in a Striker, GK and a defensive cover in either CB or RB. I can see O'Shea/Brown/Rafael sharing RB for a while until Raf can take it on himself completely, or one takes the crown.
Given how much more money we have spent than Arsenal Nickg, how many more trophies have we won over the past few years..
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say what?
ronaldo wasnt one of our big investments really. we shouldnt have been utterly reliant upon him, this just shows how squandered all the 30's of millions we have actually spend were.
i think the arsenal comment is fair. add up how much they have spent in the last couple of years compared to how much our team cost. then see whether we should be within 2 points of them with only a handful of games to go?
exactly. the money has all been wasted. if we had bought great players in, then clearly we wouldnt be reliant upon 1 man. Look at the other teams around us, none are so reliant upon 1 player.
well obviously because no-one would buy them, for enough for us to replace them anyhow. maybe they will retire from the premiership and Scholes to oldham athletic.
exactly but why was that? 2 reasons, well maybe 3. CR07, WR, VdS.
Those three individuals did not make a team.
Other players were incredibly vital to it.
Ronaldo was a get out of jail free card, he could turn it on and change a game. He is an incredibly rare player and talent, it is very wishful thinking that we can always have a player like that, that can just change the game.
It makes him a stand out player, just like WR has been this season.
VDS can make vital saves to save a game, again, making him a stand out player.
People like Evra, Fletcher, Vidic etc that always put in a good shift make a team, yes, they don't steal the headlines and always seem to make a difference or be a stand out player, but they are what makes a team.
You seem to be saying that if any team had WR, CR & VDS, they would win the league.
I would say the money hasn't been wasted at all, the only thing I could slightly agree on is Berbatov, but even so I couldn't fully agree.
There is a difference between relying on a player, and having a player that can change the game in an instant.
It's quite amusing how people praise the whole of the Barcelona squad and say they are all incredible not just Messi, yet when we won the EPL & CL, it was just because of Ronaldo.
Get real.
EDIT: When I say 'people' it is directed in general, not specifically a certain person.
Other players were incredibly vital to it.
Ronaldo was a get out of jail free card, he could turn it on and change a game. He is an incredibly rare player and talent, it is very wishful thinking that we can always have a player like that, that can just change the game.
It makes him a stand out player, just like WR has been this season.
VDS can make vital saves to save a game, again, making him a stand out player.
People like Evra, Fletcher, Vidic etc that always put in a good shift make a team, yes, they don't steal the headlines and always seem to make a difference or be a stand out player, but they are what makes a team.
You seem to be saying that if any team had WR, CR & VDS, they would win the league.
I would say the money hasn't been wasted at all, the only thing I could slightly agree on is Berbatov, but even so I couldn't fully agree.
There is a difference between relying on a player, and having a player that can change the game in an instant.
It's quite amusing how people praise the whole of the Barcelona squad and say they are all incredible not just Messi, yet when we won the EPL & CL, it was just because of Ronaldo.
Get real.
EDIT: When I say 'people' it is directed in general, not specifically a certain person.
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basically apart from Giggs, Ronaldo was our only player who could move the ball forward, without resorting to punting it 70 yards.
if ronaldo wasnt playing, or wasnt playing well we would REALLY REALLY struggle to do anything creative at all. you cannot deny this, we were terrible without him. Fergie didnt even want to sign him to begin with, the story goes that it was Giggsy who pestered Fergie after the friendly in lisbon into buying him anyway.
dont make me write out the numbers again:
Hargreaves, 18m
Carrick, 18m
Berbatov, 30m
im not even going to dabble in those older pre VdS goalkeeper issues we have had, including the Taibi debacle, or for what reason we bought Liam Miller and actually played him, HaHa was a gamble who clearly did not pay off, Forlan also didnt cover himself in glory whilst at United.
all deserve a reasonable mention. Evra for me, potentially player of the first half of the season for us. But why does he have to do all the attacking up the left and all the defending? because those around him are not so good...
Why are you arguing about Ronaldo?
My point was, and has always been, he was a rare talent that we had that could change the games. Did you never get the feeling he always stole the headlines, just as Messi does, and the other players were always overshadowed? It's the same for any teams best player - everyone else looks awful in comparison.
Therefore the opinion on the rest of the team will always be bias and it seems that the rest of the team are made to look bad. It doesn't take one person to win titles, it takes a team. And I think the fact Real Madrid are out of the CL, and aren't winning the league just proves this.
They have Ronaldo, they aren't winning. What do you say about that? Because it seems you think that Ronaldo was Manchester United.
I'm sorry but if you think the likes of Carrick, Hargreaves etc weren't vital to the wins we made and the trophies we got then talking to you is a waste of time.
Ronaldo was exceptional, who knows what we would have done without him, we have shown this season we were compettitive without him for a long time, Fergie may of signed someone else, had other formations etc. Who knows.
I cannot believe people are wanting Fergie out, and are slating his mangement.
It's ridiculous.
Yes, he has made some purchases that have been iffy, but a lot of them were down to players just not adapting - something that he cannot predict. If the player does not perform in the league etc, then it is not his fault. He may of misjudged, but there could well be underlying problems that mean those players don't perform.
Every manager does it, and the amount of positive that Fergie has brought to the club I think it's insulting for you to seem to question what he does.
I'm not posting any more on the matter as obviously you won't see sense and like to jump on the bandwagon.
Let's not turn this into Red Cafe now..
My point was, and has always been, he was a rare talent that we had that could change the games. Did you never get the feeling he always stole the headlines, just as Messi does, and the other players were always overshadowed? It's the same for any teams best player - everyone else looks awful in comparison.
Therefore the opinion on the rest of the team will always be bias and it seems that the rest of the team are made to look bad. It doesn't take one person to win titles, it takes a team. And I think the fact Real Madrid are out of the CL, and aren't winning the league just proves this.
They have Ronaldo, they aren't winning. What do you say about that? Because it seems you think that Ronaldo was Manchester United.
I'm sorry but if you think the likes of Carrick, Hargreaves etc weren't vital to the wins we made and the trophies we got then talking to you is a waste of time.
Ronaldo was exceptional, who knows what we would have done without him, we have shown this season we were compettitive without him for a long time, Fergie may of signed someone else, had other formations etc. Who knows.
I cannot believe people are wanting Fergie out, and are slating his mangement.
It's ridiculous.
Yes, he has made some purchases that have been iffy, but a lot of them were down to players just not adapting - something that he cannot predict. If the player does not perform in the league etc, then it is not his fault. He may of misjudged, but there could well be underlying problems that mean those players don't perform.
Every manager does it, and the amount of positive that Fergie has brought to the club I think it's insulting for you to seem to question what he does.
I'm not posting any more on the matter as obviously you won't see sense and like to jump on the bandwagon.
Let's not turn this into Red Cafe now..
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jump on the bandwagon?
i made the wagon by hand, years ago. pushed it up the hill and i will be there when it comes back down, if you can use a way back when machine and come back to OCUK 2001 u will find the same things written by my own hand then too. im not a glory supporter, i have always been balanced, and not afraid to criticise. so i dont want to hear about how im some kind of glory supporter or how i wasnt saying that 3 years ago, no it was about 10 years ago. maybe before your time?
ill say that at UTD Ronaldo was a big fish in a small pond - read what i said, when he did NOT play (in his last couple of seasons), we struggled to win - but also note that during his first couple of years Giggs was much younger, i have already referenced that Giggs did our running BEFORE Ronaldo, but during the co-incidence of their career giggs got slower and lamer and ronaldo got better and stronger. Also note, why did fergie play ronaldo up front on his own vs Barca?!
Real have no cohesion, and havent had in living memory, sure i could blow 1billion on attacking players - but what happens at the other end IS important too. sure they tried with Gago etc but the plan was and ill quote,
Zidane, Pavon... i.e u buy the best attacker you can and put up with the best youth defenders you can utilise. not really balanced is it?
i made the wagon by hand, years ago. pushed it up the hill and i will be there when it comes back down, if you can use a way back when machine and come back to OCUK 2001 u will find the same things written by my own hand then too. im not a glory supporter, i have always been balanced, and not afraid to criticise. so i dont want to hear about how im some kind of glory supporter or how i wasnt saying that 3 years ago, no it was about 10 years ago. maybe before your time?
ill say that at UTD Ronaldo was a big fish in a small pond - read what i said, when he did NOT play (in his last couple of seasons), we struggled to win - but also note that during his first couple of years Giggs was much younger, i have already referenced that Giggs did our running BEFORE Ronaldo, but during the co-incidence of their career giggs got slower and lamer and ronaldo got better and stronger. Also note, why did fergie play ronaldo up front on his own vs Barca?!
Real have no cohesion, and havent had in living memory, sure i could blow 1billion on attacking players - but what happens at the other end IS important too. sure they tried with Gago etc but the plan was and ill quote,
Zidane, Pavon... i.e u buy the best attacker you can and put up with the best youth defenders you can utilise. not really balanced is it?
after saying something like that you really have no idea at all
No one player will ever be bigger than the club, the club will go on when many players past and present (and possibly even better than Ronaldo) shine brightly but only briefly in the grand scheme of things
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thats right, when he lined up in teams with Oshea, Fletcher, Park and gibson in midfield etc he must have been thinking, damn how could i have asked for better teammates?
if you watch the games you will see how frustrated he got every time he passed the ball to a non player...so in the end he tried to ignore them as much as possible and do what he could himself.
Kind of like berbatov - but the difference between them is that Ronaldo could pick up the ball and do it all himself, wheras berbatov cannot.
Ronaldo was clearly a cut above everyone else (attacking wise), apart from rooney which is why they flourished together. defensively we werent too bad, but if you remove ronaldos goals you arent left with much from the last 2 seaons before he left.
if you watch the games you will see how frustrated he got every time he passed the ball to a non player...so in the end he tried to ignore them as much as possible and do what he could himself.
Kind of like berbatov - but the difference between them is that Ronaldo could pick up the ball and do it all himself, wheras berbatov cannot.
Ronaldo was clearly a cut above everyone else (attacking wise), apart from rooney which is why they flourished together. defensively we werent too bad, but if you remove ronaldos goals you arent left with much from the last 2 seaons before he left.
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Getting back on point, Fergie has said a maximum of two new signings in the summer so fingers crossed 1 will be a creative midfielder and the other will be a striker to take the burden off of Rooney
Keeping everything crossed between now and August.....
Keeping everything crossed between now and August.....
As Real Madrid prove year on year you cant have a team of superstars
Even saying that there were good quality players around him in the early years mixed in with the players you mentioned, all the players werent of that level (and even then Fletcher has improved dramatically even before Ronaldo left)
Ronaldo also loved the limelight being the "saviour" all the time, he was pretty selfish (unlike Wazza who is as happy when a team mate scores as when he does himself)
Because the team was geared around him - I would have loved to see Rooney given large number of games in a row down the middle (without being shafted on the left) with Ronaldo "supporting" from the right , that would have allowed 60+ goals between them season after season, it didnt happen rightly or wrongly - to be fair I dont think any premium rate striker would have wanted to come with Ronaldo actually being the focus of the team and wanting everything throug him
a lot of people commented this season that even with Rooney in the team (even though he is scoring huge amounts) there are more chances also going to the rest of the team, which even if the chances are unsuccessful at present its still a turn up for the books imo
You mean Smalling and the Mexican?
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