Poll: United States Grand Prix 2018, Austin - Race 18/21

[mmj_uk]

How would they know the Ferrari wouldn't have been faster at the US GP had they used the new parts? same goes for previous races during the last 4 months how would they know performance would have been better using the old parts?

It just sounds like more excuses to me, put the blame on the R&D department rather than the team and drivers that have made a catalogue of errors recently.

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

OK regarding the rules entering the pit lane entry then cutting back on track, what's the penalty for that again is it a ten second penalty or a reprimand???

Wow...You really like hanging on to that one little thread that might just play to you perceived injustice.

Charlie Whiting has explained it enough times. I don’t need to tread over such well worn lines.

HOWEVER... For the benefit of anyone else who has to read your tripe regarding this sort of thing..

You know full well it’s not the same situation as Kimi’s. You can pretend as much as you like to back up your conspiracies, but it speaks volumes when you refuse to debate the point at hand and go back over the same old tired argument about a totally different incident.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I watched this back too, and felt it was overly harsh considering the circumstances.

I was assuming I had missed something, but that one mystified me somewhat. Would love to know the data they used to justify it in relation to the other cars.

There must have been something they saw that I didn’t.

If you watch the onboard of it, you can see that Sainz is on track, he brakes late which is fine but he makes a conscious decision to turn right, go off track and floor it at the same time. He wasn't actually forced off track, he went oh, it will take an age to slot into the traffic here, maybe I should just speed up and go wide, which is exactly what he did.

There is a very large difference between leaving the track intentionally and trying to gain an advantage and being pushed off track and then choosing to use that road as normal. From what I can see Sainz can easily stay on track but he accelerates as he's pulling off the track and the momentum helped gain him places and attack people before T9, if he slowed and stayed on track he'd probably lose more positions to guys on the inside.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Wow...You really like hanging on to that one little thread that might just play to you perceived injustice.

Charlie Whiting has explained it enough times. I don’t need to tread over such well worn lines.

HOWEVER... For the benefit of anyone else who has to read your tripe regarding this sort of thing..

You know full well it’s not the same situation as Kimi’s. You can pretend as much as you like to back up your conspiracies, but it speaks volumes when you refuse to debate the point at hand and go back over the same old tired argument about a totally different incident.

More over, various people researched and looked up the penalties for similar, and the only times the driver got more than a reprimand it was leaving the white line on exit or screwing up another driver on the racing line, missing the bollard, etc. Everyone who did something similar to Hamilton also got a reprimand. It would have been completely inconsistent to get a penalty beyond a reprimand... which people keep forgetting IS a penalty, it's just the lowest penalty.

 

[Flibster]

if that was the case why did get 3 place pen instead of a reprimand???

Sarcasm not really your thing is it? The penalty was absolutely correct and in line with the previous penalties issued this year for the same rule break. 27.7 seconds to slow down to the required speed under a red flag is completely excessive and even irresponsible.

 

[Mr Jack]

Seems a common thing this year. Both Williams and McLaren have gotten bad data from their CFD/simulated aero testing and now Ferrari basically admitting the same. Limiting testing is fine if the simulations and projections you have align with the real world, but clearly they aren't.

In-season testing must return.

 

[MagicBoy]

if that was the case why did get 3 place pen instead of a reprimand???

It's consistent with Ocon at Suzuka. Not two weeks ago. And Ricciardo in Australia at the beginning of the season.

Is your memory that impaired by your rosso corsa tinted glasses?

 

[ThestigGT999]

It's consistent with Ocon at Suzuka. Not two weeks ago. And Ricciardo in Australia at the beginning of the season.

Is your memory that impaired by your rosso corsa tinted glasses?

so now fia want to be consistent lol

 

[CaptainRAVE]

so now fia want to be consistent lol

Ferrari just need to replace Vettel. Problem solved.

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

Ferrari just need to replace Vettel. Problem solved.

Agreed, his best days seem behind him at the moment. There was no doubt he was quality at one point. Now he is just proving he can't handle a prolonged championship battle.

 

[MagicBoy]

so now fia want to be consistent lol

You said earlier it only warranted a reprimand.

Fancy answering the question?

Agreed, his best days seem behind him at the moment. There was no doubt he was quality at one point. Now he is just proving he can't handle a prolonged championship battle.

He was quick in the blown diffuser era Red Bull. He's always been prone to screw up under pressure when he gets challenged by a car of similar pace.

 

[The_Abyss]

When the season is done, I think Ferrari will be able to look back and draw a lot of positives from it despite it being a second season that has unraveled rather spectacularly.

Firstly, they built a great car, better than the previous year. Being genuinely competitive has also taught them where they still have weaknesses to address, especially strategy. Irrespective of thoughts of the current driver pairing, they’ve finally been bolder than in previous years and secured a bright young talent for next season. And they’ve learned a lot about the driver they’ve retained.

There’s a lot to move forward from.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

When the season is done, I think Ferrari will be able to look back and draw a lot of positives from it despite it being a second season that has unraveled rather spectacularly.

Firstly, they built a great car, better than the previous year. Being genuinely competitive has also taught them where they still have weaknesses to address, especially strategy. Irrespective of thoughts of the current driver pairing, they’ve finally been bolder than in previous years and secured a bright young talent for next season. And they’ve learned a lot about the driver they’ve retained.

There’s a lot to move forward from.

Yup, I can see them winning easily next year. Lots to build on with the new car, a promising driver in Leclerc. I just hope they let their drivers race and don’t give preference to Vettel (on or off track).

 

[KiNgPiN83]

I can see Honda coming through for RB and them being right at the front next year. Its scary how good their car will be with a decent engine in it considering where they are with the Renault unit. :O

 

[4K8KW10]

When the season is done, I think Ferrari will be able to look back and draw a lot of positives from it despite it being a second season that has unraveled rather spectacularly.

Firstly, they built a great car, better than the previous year. Being genuinely competitive has also taught them where they still have weaknesses to address, especially strategy. Irrespective of thoughts of the current driver pairing, they’ve finally been bolder than in previous years and secured a bright young talent for next season. And they’ve learned a lot about the driver they’ve retained.

There’s a lot to move forward from.

Strategy and luck go together. Their decisions could or could not work in their favour - they can't know that unless they are able to predict the future.
The rain in Germany was poor luck - given the dry period and that it didn't rain for months before that and weeks after that. Only that particular day has had rain.

 

[MagicBoy]

so now fia want to be consistent lol

You said earlier it only warranted a reprimand.

Fancy answering the question?

Still waiting.

 

[ThestigGT999]

Still waiting.

No I didn't you implied I did when I asked about lt

 

[The_Abyss]

The rain in Germany was poor luck - given the dry period and that it didn't rain for months before that and weeks after that. Only that particular day has had rain.

That was pure and simple driver error though. Everyone else coped with it, Vettel didn't.

 

[Yaayuh!]

The rain in Germany was poor luck

 

[Jono8]

Strategy and luck go together. Their decisions could or could not work in their favour - they can't know that unless they are able to predict the future.
The rain in Germany was poor luck - given the dry period and that it didn't rain for months before that and weeks after that. Only that particular day has had rain.

Poor luck? No, Vettel's lack of skill meant he binned it and threw away the win.

You can't say that a wet race is bad luck. To be successful in f1 you need to be good in all conditions.