What extreme austerity? Spending continued to grow constantly, and taxes didn't rise significantly...
Universal basic income
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What extreme austerity? Spending continued to grow constantly, and taxes didn't rise significantly...
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Well, China is a Communist country right now and shows the highest economic growth worldwide. It is the number 1 economy globally, the factory of the globe
err you think China is a truly communist country. Maybe in political name but modern parts of China would suggest if you ignored the political setup they are no different to many Western nations
I am not sure why you are so scared of Communism. You have never lived under Communist system, and just recall.... like " one granny said...... "
I have lived and can say that it isn't frightening at all. Actually, there will be many advantages for the people over the current capitalist society.
Soldato
Well, China is a Communist country right now and shows the highest economic growth worldwide. It is the number 1 economy globally, the factory of the globe
I know china quite well. It is not communist anymore, and hasn't been for a number of decades. Its state controlled capitalism.
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I didn't intend this thread to turn in to a capitalism vs communism debate.
It was intended to discuss how UBI may be necessary given future autonomy.
But regardless, communism is anti-democratic as it doesn't allow views that go against the system.. this is fundamentally dangerous, ergo why it has failed everywhere.
It was intended to discuss how UBI may be necessary given future autonomy.
But regardless, communism is anti-democratic as it doesn't allow views that go against the system.. this is fundamentally dangerous, ergo why it has failed everywhere.
Soldato
Who said I was scared of Communism at all and who are you to know what I have and haven't lived under. I would expect everyone has a different viewpoint of any political standpoint depending on their circumstances. Some will be fine and some not.... lucky you to have had a good experience of it
Soldato
Almost everything about this is incorrect. China is communist in name only, not in practice. It only started growing like it is after abandonning its core communist principles. And the number 1 economy in the world is still the USA, and likely will be for some considerable time.Well, China is a Communist country right now and shows the highest economic growth worldwide. It is the number 1 economy globally, the factory of the globe
Also I know where I would rather live...
Soldato
Taken from the paper itself:
Strengths and limitations of this study
- There may be other mediating factors beyond those explored in this analysis.
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Ah you on drugs or have an mental impairment?
It would be interesting to hear what 'communist' state you apparently lived under....
Because
1) no country could actually be properly described as actually being communist what with communism being the eutopian end goal of socialism (this of course has not stopped a number of countries calling themselves 'communist')
And
2) the degree to which life in a self declared 'socialist/ communist' state was/is tolerable to the general populace tends to be inversely proportional to the degree to which the state actually is Socialist in its nature.....
And 3......
Theres not that many Socialist/ 'communist' countries you can have spent much of your life in and likely still be likely to be commenting in this forum?
UBI at any meaningful level of payment is inherently linked to socialism so you can't expect to talk about it without discussing socialism.
Socialism (see above why communism is only something that countries or organisations have labelled themselves as opposed to an actual reality as its a eutopian end goal of socialism) hasn't just failed because of its anti democratic nature.....
Much like UBI socialism tends to destroys the incentive for an individual, group or organisation to innovate or work harder then other individuals, groups or organisations....
If the 'people' / state place claim on everything including the product or Labour what incentive is there to work harder, innovate or improve.
The belief that UBI would somehow free the populace to be a collective of arty, contented people gainfully occupying their time with positive deeds free from the grind of work is a total fantasy....
You only have to look at what happens to people today who for one reason or another find they don't have to work to support themsleves or their family (this doesn't have to be paid work - for example a stay at home parent would still count)
If humans do ever find themselves relived of the need to do any form of work due to automation then I imagine it won't be long before necessarily intelligent machines we have created to take on these tasks work out that we are totally surplus to requirement.
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thats not even remotely true.
The figures say otherwise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
Oh, it is. Hundreds of closed factories, millions of people forced to leave their country, widespread morality decline, drugs, abuse, rubbish everywhere.
Not before 1989, though
Except the level of UBI being otuted you probably wouldn't afford that many games or a good gym membership. you would be miuch more motiviatd to add the UBI onto a well paying job, but potentially reduce your working hours a little
If you go paid 7-8 K a year would you really quite your job and just play games all day?
Yes. I have done it before, walked out a full time job into a part time £633 a month job and lived a bare minimum life style and it was fantastic. I just hate work.
I can't do it now that I am older but I don't need much motivation to quit and live on handouts where possible. It's people like me who would love socialism, UBI and the likes just so I don't have to deal with work anymore.
You realise the tax bands would be adjusted so that anyone that is a HRT payer will probably have paid back the UBI? Otherwise, the Government would be effectively creating money and will drive up inflation.
Actually, he can get this money and go to another country where he will be quite rich with this amount. Come to where I am......
So it wouldn't in effect be universal? It would be a 'if your on a low income here is more money?'
Surely that's what exists now?
I'm not sure if stopping HRT payers from spending few extra grand a year on luxury items will have that much of an effect on inflation?