US police thread

[Johno please?]

Legal or not it's still a ridiculous thing to defend.

Well I wouldn't openly carry if I had the option, concealed is safer for everyone. Theres plenty of funny "2nd amendment audits" on youtube.

If you watch all the footage of Kyle Rittenhouse you can see he ran away from the initial confrontation but no, he was carrying a gun so automatically the bad guy.

 

[Caracus2k]

I have no strong opinion on this either way to be honest. I just find it weird that so many of you care so deeply about US policing.

There's a mural to a dead, serially violent druggie in Manchester who died some 3,800 odd miles away in the US. The death of said serial criminal led to protests worldwide... apparently something to do with black lives mattering.

They apparently don't matter that much when it comes to things like blacks killing blacks or the Jamaican police killing people at over ten times the per capita rate vs the US.

It is just gaslighting to ask why people, in the UK, decide to comment on police incidents in the US when they are used so much by some to push certain narratives here.

 

[The Running Man]

There's a mural to a dead, serially violent druggie in Manchester who died some 3,800 odd miles away in the US. The death of said serial criminal led to protests worldwide... apparently something to do with black lives mattering.

They apparently don't matter that much when it comes to things like blacks killing blacks or the Jamaican police killing people at over ten times the per capita rate vs the US.

It is just gaslighting to ask why people, in the UK, decide to comment on police incidents in the US when they are used so much by some to push certain narratives here.

Thing is with this kid, he's not part of BLMs agenda.

So likely to be more peaceful.

 

[Caracus2k]

Unless ofcourse you're called Kyle Rittenhouse...someone else who is defended on this very forum who walked the streets with an AR-15.

Go watch the videos of how Rittenhouse approached the police before he was detained compare this vs the video we have for this case and stop embarrassing yourself...

 

[iamtheoneneo]

Unless ofcourse you're called Kyle Rittenhouse...someone else who is defended on this very forum who walked the streets with an AR-15.

Whats your actual point here? Yes he did that, he turned himself in to the officers in a clam manner and now as far as im aware is facing the following charges:

• first-degree reckless homicide against Joseph Rosenbaum
• first-degree recklessly endangering safety against Richard McGinnis (a reporter who interviewed Rittenhouse before the shooting)
• first-degree intentional homicide against Anthony Huber
• attempted first-degree intentional homicide against Gaige Grosskreutz
• first-degree recklessly endangering safety against an unknown male victim
• possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18 (the only misdemeanor charge, the others are felonies)

so everything is working as intended? Your making out he got away with it....

 

[Caracus2k]

Thing is with this kid, he's not part of BLMs agenda.

So likely to be more peaceful.

The photos of him online show that he's one of those schrodinger types (like the Syrian born Muslim the other week who killed multiple people) who are either 'white passing' or a 'person of colour' depending on their political usefulness in a given scenario to the usual types.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Whats your actual point here? Yes he did that, he turned himself in to the officers in a clam manner and now as far as im aware is facing the following charges:

• first-degree reckless homicide against Joseph Rosenbaum
• first-degree recklessly endangering safety against Richard McGinnis (a reporter who interviewed Rittenhouse before the shooting)
• first-degree intentional homicide against Anthony Huber
• attempted first-degree intentional homicide against Gaige Grosskreutz
• first-degree recklessly endangering safety against an unknown male victim
• possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18 (the only misdemeanor charge, the others are felonies)

so everything is working as intended? Your making out he got away with it....

Without knowing the progress/convictions currently of the case or even if its at that point, looking a the list above, and the news from when it happened, along with the video footage, most of those won't stick at all, as they imply he intentionally wanted to kill them, when most if not all of the victims were as a result of self defense. The only guaranteed conviction is the possession of dangerous weapon by a person under 18, but would that be convicted as a minor or an adult based on the time of the offense?

 

[Frubeling]

Whats your actual point here? Yes he did that, he turned himself in to the officers in a clam manner and now as far as im aware is facing the following charges:

• first-degree reckless homicide against Joseph Rosenbaum
• first-degree recklessly endangering safety against Richard McGinnis (a reporter who interviewed Rittenhouse before the shooting)
• first-degree intentional homicide against Anthony Huber
• attempted first-degree intentional homicide against Gaige Grosskreutz
• first-degree recklessly endangering safety against an unknown male victim
• possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18 (the only misdemeanor charge, the others are felonies)

so everything is working as intended? Your making out he got away with it....

Yeah I don't see any of those, the ones that actually count for anything, sticking at all. First degree? Prosecution shot itself in the foot (lole) pushing for too much

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

delete

 

[ColdAsIce]

Again we have a situation that is incredibly dangerous to both the suspect and the police. No-one can interpret that information in 0.8 seconds in the dark. By asking to show his hands he was already signing that kids death sentence. It’s just to dangerous a situation with a potentially armed suspect.

UK police get critisised for this often, take the scenario in recent years. Mainly in London but we have had the same problem In Edinburgh. Kids/teenagers on stolen motorbikes and mopeds on public roads. The police have made the decision not to chase after them due to the potential danger to other road users/public, the kids themselves and the Police.

that cop in Chicago once he made the decision to chase after someone through a dark alley holding a weapon made a terrible error in judgement. Incredibly dangerous scenario that required backup or other units in assistance.

 

[VincentHanna]

UK police get critisised for this often, take the scenario in recent years. Mainly in London but we have had the same problem In Edinburgh. Kids/teenagers on stolen motorbikes and mopeds on public roads. The police have made the decision not to chase after them due to the potential danger to other road users/public, the kids themselves and the Police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44204844

 

[Vulcan]

I mean how clear can he be with his hands literally above his head?

Except they literally weren't. You're lying again. Don't use the word literally if that literally didn't happen. He put his hands up, but not above his head, and it was too late by then if you factor in reaction time, about 0.39 seconds as pointed out early on in the thread.

He chose to pull the gun out in view of the officer, he chose... poorly.

The time between seeing the suspects gun in frame and the police shooting was about 0.83 seconds. The officer clearly didn't know the suspect had thrown the gun, because the suspect purposely threw it behind a fence to hide it. The suspect moves his right arm, the one with the pistol, behind his back, this takes 12 frames until he brings his right hand forward, this is 0.5 seconds. Leaving about 0.33 seconds left.

The very last thing the officer says is before the shooting is: "Drop it, drop it", not "Put your hands up." The suspect might have been able to avoid the shooting if he did that and dropped it, but he didn't, he purposely obscured the firearm from view of the police, moving it behind his back and throwing it behind the fence which the officer couldn't see, in an attempt to hide it from the police to avoid being criminally charged. Incredibly dumb and risky move that cost him his life.

 

[Socialdistancing]

Following this thread from the side lines. Some raise some very good points, while some seem to have another agenda. Possibly political.

Its clear Guns are the main issue in escalation of situations. If you don't want people dying on a regular basis, then don't make it possible to buy and semi automatic weapon while weekly shopping in Costco. Its just asking for gun related crime.

But in relation to the police. Would you treat any situation differently. ?
You can imagine being on edge completely as every incident has the potential to be life threatening. The laws police need in place to combat the gun crime threat. There only option is to be very forceful and dealing with a situation like every person is armed and is willing to use it. Statistically you are going to see some of every scenario.

 

[ColdAsIce]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44204844

what’s your point? London have had to specifically and specially train certain officers to deal with these situations now. Which is my point. That cop shouldn’t be in a position of bring by himself running after an armed suspect through dark alleyways. Huge threat to himself being killed and a pretty big chance if he catches up with the suspect it’s going to end badly. Sometimes you need to re-group / assistance from another team. No point being a hero there.

 

[jsmoke]

The full unedited video of this is on goregrish.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

then don't make it possible to buy and semi automatic weapon while weekly shopping in Costco.

You can't, the process of buying a weapon through a licenced gun retail department, has an extensive background check process that takes times (several weeks in some states), and a 13 year old certainly wouldn't have been allowed to get a weapon. Absolutely no amount of regulation would stop illegal gun sales on the streets.

 

[Moley]

You can't, the process of buying a weapon through a licences gun retail department, has an extensive background check process that takes times (several weeks in some states), and a 13 year old certainly wouldn't have been allowed to get a weapon. Absolutely no amount of regulation would stop illegal gun sales on the streets.

You are right of course. What was needed her was good parenting - a 13 year old should be at home in bed at that time.

 

[Roar87]

Legal or not it's still a ridiculous thing to defend.

He was out at 2am and shot at a random passer by, Kyle used his gun in self defence because he was in the process of being attacked, you're removing all nuance from your argument as if we all have straw for brains

 

[Arsonist]

While US police clearly have a history of murdering innocent people, systemic racism, brutality etc, having now seen several clips of the most recent 13 year old shooting, I can't help but sympathise with the officer involved who now has to live with the consequences of his split-second decision. Clear reports of nearby gunshots, shady characters hanging in dark alleyways at 2.30am, signting of a weapon, and a perp who runs away, shadily stops in a dark corner, and then rapidly swings around to face the cop. What would you do? You'd shoot. Of course you would. Your life or theirs. And in the kindest way possible, the life of that officer is clearly more valuable to society than a reprobate 13 year old with a life of crime and violence to others ahead of him. He didn't deserve to die, but he chose a path he clearly knew could lead to his demise. Unfortunately for him, his gamble didn't pay off.

 

[Roar87]

Again we have a situation that is incredibly dangerous to both the suspect and the police. No-one can interpret that information in 0.8 seconds in the dark. By asking to show his hands he was already signing that kids death sentence. It’s just to dangerous a situation with a potentially armed suspect.

UK police get critisised for this often, take the scenario in recent years. Mainly in London but we have had the same problem In Edinburgh. Kids/teenagers on stolen motorbikes and mopeds on public roads. The police have made the decision not to chase after them due to the potential danger to other road users/public, the kids themselves and the Police.

that cop in Chicago once he made the decision to chase after someone through a dark alley holding a weapon made a terrible error in judgement. Incredibly dangerous scenario that required backup or other units in assistance.

But he shot at a random passer by, should they wait for him to shoot at someone else and maybe kill them, are they allowed to chase once there's a dead body? People having guns illegally and firing them at innocent people is always a dangerous situation, it's also dangerous to not chase.