VA vs IPS - difference THAT big?

Every panel type has its flaws and positives even OLED outside of burn isn’t perfect. None are fully superior to another.

I went from tn to IPS a long time ago and couldn’t notice much difference out of slightly lesser colours. Even less so when both are setup correctly. You’d be hard pressed to notice the differences sat side by side.

I even went to VA for a short while and again couldn’t notice a huge difference. Minor ghosting to the point of stood on a game map staring at a dark object moving back and forth to notice the slightest bit of blur along the edges. Nothing you’d notice in actual gameplay. Now I’m the sort that notices anything and everything. What i did notice was no glow/bleed and deeper blacks.

So really all down to preference. One thing i can say is ips glow + excessive bleed is by far the worst out of anything i've experienced on other panels.

I’ve seen very bad va panels as well as very bad tn and IPS panels. All down to quality control and design. Reviews are key when I’m looking for a monitor.
 
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Thats the sad thing, one display on a tech is not necessarily the same as another.

Both my S5 and S7 phones are amoled, the S5 has really nice viewing angles whilst the S7 is a clear downgrade.
 
Hmmm - have just tried Project Cars and there's no smearing as such but the Philips appears to have issues with black...

Some of the darker part of the image become blocky and completely black - either it's because the monitor is poor it can't distinguish or it's so good that it's highlighting deficiencies in the picture...

Anyway, switching to laptop display and it's all dark and black, no signs of any blocky blackness. Thoughts?
 
Follow up - Just tried some Dark Knight (Blu-ray) scenes with HDR on and my god...

The black splotchiness is everywhere, it looks like an awful quality YouTube video. How anyone could fork out cash and be satisfied with this is beyond me.
 
chrcoluk said:
Thats the sad thing, one display on a tech is not necessarily the same as another.

Both my S5 and S7 phones are amoled, the S5 has really nice viewing angles whilst the S7 is a clear downgrade.
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But isn't AMOLED just the type of lighting over the TFT layer? I mean one can be AMOLED IPS, the other AMOLED TN?
 
@Fry750 best way to see the smearing is to use the forum with the black skin and scroll up and down quickly. if it's a crap panel, it'll look like a blurry mess. (Don't try it if you are keeping the panel through...once seen - cannot be unseen :p)
And ouch about the blacks...if be disappointed too
 
In case any one was curious:

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chrcoluk said:
do you guys leave your monitors at stock brightness? the vast majority of screen ship with a too high brightness.
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The one that I am looking at is 38% brightness right now.
Anything too excessive and your eyes will hurt.

The light from the monitor must be neutral to the ambient surround light.

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Dont think so. Also there is no TN characteristics (no colour shift, is contrast shift). Just a different generation of the product.
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I have never liked Samsung's displays.

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VA is my preffered for my usage, which tends to be in darker rooms or at evenings/nights.

My laptop (Alienware 13 R3) does have a very good IPS panel, and being 13" means I don't actually notice any IPS corner 'glow', but the old 27" IPS I had suffered from it (and some BLB) which was annoying during dark gaming sessions.

For bright, vibrant games, IPS is sweet, day-time maps in Borderlands 3 are lovely, but then night-time or cavern parts of the game are yucky.
 
Out of IPS, VA and TN, I'd always go 8bit TN@144hz. The 6bit panels are horrible admittedly but FPS games look great on the 8bit panels and don't have the smear that the others do. I hated the VA panel the most, bad colours, smeary image and nasty black crush, IPS was fine but still a bit smeary for my liking.
 
OLED - best colours, best contrast, best pixel level control of black levels, best hdr performance excluding peak brightness, best form factor, best pixel response cons: image retention, burn in, abl for very bright scenes, lack of the peak brightness of FALDs, expensive
FALD - great beautiful sceeen with lots of contrast and excellent bright room performance, cons hdr requires backlight control so blacks are not black at all, blooming, halo effects, viewing angles not as good as oled but better than most others, back light banding on difficult scenes and panning shots, expensive

QLED/VA - Screens like the CRG9 just seem to be a bit better than all other VA panels in all the deficiencies of VA panels
IPS - great if you need viewing angles and accurate colours, cons are terrible ips glow and therefore terrible dark room performance if close to the monitor as the glow will annoy you, crap contrast which affects the punch
VA - great dark room performance, great contrast and vivid color contrast , cons are ghosting, responsiveness and viewing angles are crap along with colour shift on bigger monitors (colour change on one colour)
TN - competitive gaming, great on a budget


Its basically pick your poison. OLED ticks so many boxes but burn in and image retention is the biggest con on the list from every technology.
 
Upgrading from an older Dell IPS and you'll likely face the same issues as me. Owned a Dell IPS for 6 years. Panel uniformity was very good. No light bleeding, great.
VA, monitor and TV tested, both 4k, hated them. Tried two monitors and one TV IPS, panel uniformity bad, really bad. And light bleeding.
Seems like the panels now instead getting better, are going the other way. And considering a 500 pounds new monitor can't even match a 170 pounds, when new, monitor from 6 years ago, is a joke.
Happy with the Dell TN.
As mentioned on other posts, needed calibration, but now is an almost perfect monitor.
 
yeah thats because often improvements are manufacturing "cost optimisations" rather than superior quality.

Also might be some market segmentation going on, apparently when the dell 2209wa was released (first affordable IPS), the quality was too close to comfort for dell to a professional IPS screen at 10x price. It didnt stay on the market very long and as we know consumer IPS has been downgraded since.

Modern IPS is still way better than TN and thats probably good enough for most people, but you can tell the difference between top end IPS and the newer stuff.
 
you just need to calibrate your screen.

i'd argue you could buy a £150 screen and calibrate it properly using hardware it will be better than any non calibrated screen regardless of technology.

it's pointless talking about colours, black levels etc if you aren't calibrating your screens.

Psycho Sonny said:
have you ever calibrated any of your monitors properly using a colormunki?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/X-Rite-Col...ator-Projectors/dp/B0055MBQOM?ref_=ast_sto_dp

if not then i would suggest you try VA and TN again but this time calibrate them.

i thought the same after i bought a TN after having an IPS. but after calibrating it. Now i'd never use an non calibrated monitor regardless of technology.
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FYI i've owned monitors from £100 all the way up to £800.

I've also owned pretty much a top end TV for the past 20 years and upgraded every 3 years or so.

Currently rocking a Sony XF90 i'll buy an oled in 3 years time once it matures a bit more.
 
Fry750 said:
I don't understand why smearing should be so prevalent, it claims to have a 4ms pixel response time
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That’ll be minimum response time - you’ll fine, like with OLEDs (in phones, at least), transitions from black to dark colours is much slower. This can create a smearing effect.

Some VAs are worse than others. I had a Panasonic EX700B, and the smearing was horrendous - games like Skyrim were borderline impossible to play. Couldn’t see what was going on in dark areas. Bought a Sony XE85 to replace it, and had no such issues - great display. But it suffered with horrendous backlight clouding.

Best thing to do is to try the display at home doing the things you tend to do on it, and see if you like it. Try not to go hunting for issues as you’ll inevitably find them, but rather see if they crop up in day to day use
 
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