VA vs IPS - difference THAT big?

tyler_jrb · 9 Oct 2019 at 21:56

trentlad said:
I have a question for you two lads. Now I have a displayport cable (thanks to Tyler!!!!!) I can use G-Sync for the first time but did you chose to activate it or leave the screen running at 144Hz?

I poured in a ton of research and it seems like G-Sync specifically prevents screen tearing by allowing the screen to adapt its refresh rate based on the frames per second being received. So it would add 6.9ms of input latency per frame lost on a 144Hz screen. However, that's just figures talking, did you personally notice any difference in gaming with it on or off?

Also Krooton, are you seeing better results with the monitor Freesync setting on 'Basic' or 'Extended'? It's my understanding the basic has a smaller FPS range than the extended but some systems bug out with extended so they offer both options.

Yeah nothing to worry about if you just plan on using the screen as is. Say not running at 300fps no Vsync. Can’t say I’ve ever noticed a difference response time wise with it enabled vs disabled. Having it enabled is always far far better as it keeps everything super smooth and stutter/tear free.

Glad to see the cables working fine

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trentlad · 23 Oct 2019 at 03:40

tyler_jrb said:
Yeah nothing to worry about if you just plan on using the screen as is. Say not running at 300fps no Vsync. Can’t say I’ve ever noticed a difference response time wise with it enabled vs disabled. Having it enabled is always far far better as it keeps everything super smooth and stutter/tear free.

Glad to see the cables working fine .

The cable is working incredibly well, I seriously owe you a huge thank you. I searched considerably hard for a DisplayPort cable and the only option I could find was way too long and hence very expensive. I found an HDMI fiber cable the which was a tad too short and a ton of cash only to realize that G-Sync was not possible over HDMI!

Your suggestion let me return the HDMI and buy a better quality DisplayPort 1.4 for cheaper, much more slack and let me play with G-Sync. Thank you mate!

I'm noticing on the big improvement for me using G-Sync is the ability to crank settings and remain butter smooth even when FPS drops down to 60FPS where normally I need 100FPS+ to get that level of smooth game play. It's seriously smooth too!

tyler_jrb · 23 Oct 2019 at 19:56

trentlad said:
The cable is working incredibly well, I seriously owe you a huge thank you. I searched considerably hard for a DisplayPort cable and the only option I could find was way too long and hence very expensive. I found an HDMI fiber cable the which was a tad too short and a ton of cash only to realize that G-Sync was not possible over HDMI!

Your suggestion let me return the HDMI and buy a better quality DisplayPort 1.4 for cheaper, much more slack and let me play with G-Sync. Thank you mate!

I'm noticing on the big improvement for me using G-Sync is the ability to crank settings and remain butter smooth even when FPS drops down to 60FPS where normally I need 100FPS+ to get that level of smooth game play. It's seriously smooth too!

No problem

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Fry750 · 17 Apr 2020 at 20:18

Sorry to reignite this thread but is the prevailing opinion the black splotchiness below caused by poor calibration?

I've been intrigued by the BenQ EW3280U - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/benq...-widescreen-led-gaming-monitor-mo-134-bq.html as it's more or less the same specs as the Philips (see image below) but IPS instead of VA.

If I bought the EW3280U, presumably I wouldn't experience the bizarre artefacting below (that is 100% what was displayed, no idea how that could be considered okay for a multimedia monitor) but if calibration would've fixed it, perhaps VA is a worthy consideration.

Thoughts please?

Fry750 said:
In case any one was curious:

DrBombcrater · 17 Apr 2020 at 20:41

I think your monitor is broken, to be honest, or has a setting messed up. That is spectacularly awful. I think I've got the same model (can't remember Philips' crazy model number, but it's the 32" 4K HDR600 VA one) and it's superb for watching video. I've never seen artefacts even remotely like that on it.

Fry750 · 17 Apr 2020 at 20:52

Maybe it was knackered. I see people sing the praises of VA panels and their deep blacks, that can't be what people mean!

V F · 17 Apr 2020 at 22:15

DrBombcrater said:
I think your monitor is broken, to be honest, or has a setting messed up. That is spectacularly awful. I think I've got the same model (can't remember Philips' crazy model number, but it's the 32" 4K HDR600 VA one) and it's superb for watching video. I've never seen artefacts even remotely like that on it.

It reminds me of the effect for a camera with its ISO jacked to the hilt. Even my TN panel looks nothing like that in the shadows.

Though without measuring the screen to see what the gamma tracking is doing, which could be a possibility of it being messed up from the factory.

DrBombcrater · 17 Apr 2020 at 22:18

My phone takes lousy pictures, but for what it's worth this is my Philips in a room with the lights down low to emphasise any black level issues.

And there just aren't any. It doesn't have the deepest blacks I've seen from a VA panel, but it does very well.

V F · 18 Apr 2020 at 00:22

Fry750 said:
Sorry to reignite this thread but is the prevailing opinion the black splotchiness below caused by poor calibration?

I've been intrigued by the BenQ EW3280U - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/benq...-widescreen-led-gaming-monitor-mo-134-bq.html as it's more or less the same specs as the Philips (see image below) but IPS instead of VA.

If I bought the EW3280U, presumably I wouldn't experience the bizarre artefacting below (that is 100% what was displayed, no idea how that could be considered okay for a multimedia monitor) but if calibration would've fixed it, perhaps VA is a worthy consideration.

Thoughts please?

Is your black level definitely set correctly? http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

413x · 29 Apr 2020 at 17:57

I'm about to get a VA panel.

Been torn by VA vs IPS (no dirty TN) for this new screen but no idea if I'm going to like it.

Every laptop and monitor I've had in past 5 years for work and home has been IPS. My surface book screen is beautiful.

Will I regret VA?

It doesn't seem like there's a real way to know until you try? Would that be fair?

V F · 29 Apr 2020 at 19:39

413x said:
I'm about to get a VA panel.

Been torn by VA vs IPS (no dirty TN) for this new screen but no idea if I'm going to like it.

Every laptop and monitor I've had in past 5 years for work and home has been IPS. My surface book screen is beautiful.

Will I regret VA?

It doesn't seem like there's a real way to know until you try? Would that be fair?

Dirty TN?

413x · 29 Apr 2020 at 19:57

V F said:
Dirty TN?

Every time I see a TN panel I'm filled with disgust. The colours look so week and whole thing just looks lifeless.

I'm hoping I don't get same feeling with VA

Psycho Sonny · 29 Apr 2020 at 21:27

413x said:
Every time I see a TN panel I'm filled with disgust. The colours look so week and whole thing just looks lifeless.

I'm hoping I don't get same feeling with VA

you need to buy a calibrator and calibrate it. i'm using a TN just now and it looks perfect. I use a surface pro for work so AMOLED and there is no real difference. I'd say my TN is better due to the size, hz, motion, etc.

Woodsta888 · 30 Apr 2020 at 13:05

413x said:
Every time I see a TN panel I'm filled with disgust. The colours look so week and whole thing just looks lifeless.

I'm hoping I don't get same feeling with VA

Definitely wont look flat like tn. Each panel type suffers it's own technology drawbacks. TN, flat and washed out but fast. IPS good colours but suffer glow for dark colours (bleed depends on panel edge manufacturing) VA suffers from some motion issues such as ghosting but has good contrast and blacks.

I think the problem is that we read too much into the problems and once you've seen issues you cant unsee them so we become over sensitive to them. Some folk more to some issues than others. Just dont go looking and measuring what ghosting is unless it's particularly poor with your chosen panel. Which panel are you considering?

413x · 30 Apr 2020 at 13:08

Woodsta888 said:
Definitely wont look flat like tn. Each panel type suffers it's own technology drawbacks. TN, flat and washed out but fast. IPS good colours but suffer glow for dark colours (bleed depends on panel edge manufacturing) VA suffers from some motion issues such as ghosting but has good contrast and blacks.

I think the problem is that we read too much into the problems and once you've seen issues you cant unsee them so we become over sensitive to them. Some folk more to some issues than others. Just dont go looking and measuring what ghosting is unless it's particularly poor with your chosen panel. Which panel are you considering?

Benq EX3501R

If it's too bad ill send it back and have to go back to all IPS

I've never spent time with a VA panel. Never had one

Woodsta888 · 30 Apr 2020 at 13:09

Fry750 said:
Sorry to reignite this thread but is the prevailing opinion the black splotchiness below caused by poor calibration?

I've been intrigued by the BenQ EW3280U - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/benq...-widescreen-led-gaming-monitor-mo-134-bq.html as it's more or less the same specs as the Philips (see image below) but IPS instead of VA.

If I bought the EW3280U, presumably I wouldn't experience the bizarre artefacting below (that is 100% what was displayed, no idea how that could be considered okay for a multimedia monitor) but if calibration would've fixed it, perhaps VA is a worthy consideration.

Thoughts please?

What source is the image played from? Direct from a genuine bluray disc or from a ripped remux copy from a torrent site?

V F · 30 Apr 2020 at 15:31

Woodsta888 said:
Definitely wont look flat like tn. Each panel type suffers it's own technology drawbacks. TN, flat and washed out but fast. IPS good colours but suffer glow for dark colours (bleed depends on panel edge manufacturing) VA suffers from some motion issues such as ghosting but has good contrast and blacks.

I think the problem is that we read too much into the problems and once you've seen issues you cant unsee them so we become over sensitive to them. Some folk more to some issues than others. Just dont go looking and measuring what ghosting is unless it's particularly poor with your chosen panel. Which panel are you considering?

I'd agree with most TN they look tacky but some of the latest TN models have come leaps and bounds. I measured over 1000:1 contrast ratio on my TN panel. Great shadow detail and depends on the scene, the image can pop.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/gigabyte-aorus-kd25f.18859328/

I was once going to go for IPS over TN from all the horror stories.

As for VA, yeah I've seen that on one of my TV's for motion. Some very fast dark scenes can sometimes getting blurry with some ghost trails. Nice contrast ratio though with over 3000:1.

I'm quite glad I've got each tech to experience, TN, Ezio IPS, VA, S-IPS, OLED and Plasma. I'm glad my IPS is more or less uniform as I had seen the scary bleed from some people's screens.

How quick viewing angles go with TN.
I can't find much fault with IPS, it's a gorgeous screen.
VA the angles can go off fast but the fast dark ghost motion can be annoying.
S-IPS can suffer glow but it is a nice screen as well.
OLED while breath taking you can spot the judder.
Plasma is the same with some form of judder and phosphor trails but the motion performance for films, motorsport and football is heaven.

I do wish I kept one of the CRT displays I once used to have.

Woodsta888 · 30 Apr 2020 at 15:55

Oh I have been using TN up until very recently (4k 60hz) so I'm fine with TN's. I'm not someone who has to have the blackest blacks etc right now and everything being perfect by havingto chuck a tonne of money at it. It'll all be standard for a reasonable price in a year or two anyway. If it looks blackish for playing games then that'll do.

Just got a new £900 4k 120hz monitor recently (IPS) and it's already faulty. Only noticed it with white spreadsheets where it's very slightly flickering down the left hand side. Still usable gaming as no scene is all that white for long. But this'll be going back once things get back to normal. Has 4 years warranty on it anyway.