VA vs IPS - difference THAT big?

[aoaaron]

you just need to calibrate your screen.

i'd argue you could buy a £150 screen and calibrate it properly using hardware it will be better than any non calibrated screen regardless of technology.

it's pointless talking about colours, black levels etc if you aren't calibrating your screens.



FYI i've owned monitors from £100 all the way up to £800.

I've also owned pretty much a top end TV for the past 20 years and upgraded every 3 years or so.

Currently rocking a Sony XF90 i'll buy an oled in 3 years time once it matures a bit more.

Yes and no.

I mean regardless of screen calibration, its not going to get rid of inherent flaws of technology.

Your IPS black levels are not going to magically become OLED level. Similarly your IPS glow is not going to magically dissapear with a calibration. I feel like by stating without proper calibration, you can't compare technology vs technology is just very very misleading.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yes and no.

I mean regardless of screen calibration, its not going to get rid of inherent flaws of technology.

Your IPS black levels are not going to magically become OLED level. Similarly your IPS glow is not going to magically dissapear with a calibration. I feel like by stating without proper calibration, you can't compare technology vs technology is just very very misleading.

there is no point in you having an OLED if it's not calibrated. you will end up with crushed blacks, missing details plus OLED's have flaws like the black splotches, etc.

obviously if you calibrate a VA it isn't magically going to have wide viewing angles of an IPS.

however colours and blacks aren't really an issue on any fully calibrated screen. the differences become very minimal to the point IMO it's not worth buying an OLED for yet. plus OLED's are crap for pc monitors due to screen burn, etc anyway so pointless discussing them.

 

[james.miller]

But isn't AMOLED just the type of lighting over the TFT layer? I mean one can be AMOLED IPS, the other AMOLED TN?

Are you having a laugh? After all that diorrhea you tried to give me about Samsung OLED panels, did you just let slip that you beyond even the levels of ignorance I thought you were capable of? You literally, in every sense of the term, haven't got a single clue about display technology have you? You are absolutely unbelievable.

I have never liked Samsung's displays.

Your precious vkworld s8. It's a budget phone with budget specs, what else needs to be said about it? You put that device on a massive pedestal and it makes no sense. You're delusional.

 

[aoaaron]

there is no point in you having an OLED if it's not calibrated. you will end up with crushed blacks, missing details plus OLED's have flaws like the black splotches, etc.

obviously if you calibrate a VA it isn't magically going to have wide viewing angles of an IPS.

however colours and blacks aren't really an issue on any fully calibrated screen. the differences become very minimal to the point IMO it's not worth buying an OLED for yet. plus OLED's are crap for pc monitors due to screen burn, etc anyway so pointless discussing them.

I disagree.

A fully calibrated IPS panel vs a fully calibrated OLED panel will still see the huge superiority of the OLED in black levels (and nearly everything else) just the same as an un-calibrated OLED will destroy an un-calibrated IPS panel.

This completley crosses over to VA versus IPS. You're talking as if calibration is the holy grail to fixing technical limitations of panel technology. Its just not. Is it good, especially for colour accuracy? Yes. But it doesn't fix your crap IPS panel or your crap VA panel into competing with top tier panels. It doesn't make IPS blacks compete with top-tier VA blacks, it doesn't fix the contrast ratio magically, it doesn't elminiate IPS glow from the corners of the screen and it doesn't fix motion blur or ghosting.

Someone can clearly talk and discuss about their panels without having to get them calibrated first.

Also there's clearly still a point in owning an OLED, even if it isn't calibrated. Sure you won't get the most accurate image in the world out of the box but OLED's aren't going go around crushing every black in sight like they were a couple of years ago. A common user can go OLED because they are sick of BLB, Halo effect, Back light banding from FALD sets, blooming... you don't need magical calibration to fix those technological flaws, just a change in technology. Sure they can help slightly, but its not going to magically get rid of your banding due to having a crap panel in the panel lottery for example.

I agree on the OLED as a PC monitor being inappropriate due to screen burn in tho... (altho I'm still going to buy one for it and probably regret it later haha).

 

[Len Dananey]

I have a Rog IPS 165hertz panel and a Rog TN 144hertz panel, can I tell a difference between the 2, no. Infact I couldn't tell them apart for gaming in the slightest.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I have a Rog IPS 165hertz panel and a Rog TN 144hertz panel, can I tell a difference between the 2, no. Infact I couldn't tell them apart for gaming in the slightest.

if they haven't been calibrated then I would say it is ignorance then more than anything else.

i can pretty much tell the difference between any non calibrated technology.

IPS will look the best apart from OLED which will destroy it in blacks.

TN will look washed out as in like a print or a painting which has had sun shining on it for a while

VA will have terrible viewing angles but decent blacks and deep colours. usually too saturated though until calibrated.

 

[V F]

if they haven't been calibrated then I would say it is ignorance then more than anything else.

i can pretty much tell the difference between any non calibrated technology.

IPS will look the best apart from OLED which will destroy it in blacks.

TN will look washed out as in like a print or a painting which has had sun shining on it for a while

VA will have terrible viewing angles but decent blacks and deep colours. usually too saturated though until calibrated.

The KD25F is not a washed out panel. I got its contrast to come in at 1008:1.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/gigabyte-aorus-kd25f.18859328/

 

[Len Dananey]

if they haven't been calibrated then I would say it is ignorance then more than anything else.

i can pretty much tell the difference between any non calibrated technology.

IPS will look the best apart from OLED which will destroy it in blacks.

TN will look washed out as in like a print or a painting which has had sun shining on it for a while

VA will have terrible viewing angles but decent blacks and deep colours. usually too saturated though until calibrated.

Yes they are both calibrated, for me personally I see no difference but that is only from me. Nothing to do with ignorance. Both screens where not cheap, the IPS 165 was especially not cheap but I see zero difference between the 2.

 

[aoaaron]

Yes they are both calibrated, for me personally I see no difference but that is only from me. Nothing to do with ignorance. Both screens where not cheap, the IPS 165 was especially not cheap but I see zero difference between the 2.

i think when the lights go off, an ips panel is easy distinguish.

 

[spoffle]

Are you having a laugh? After all that diorrhea you tried to give me about Samsung OLED panels, did you just let slip that you beyond even the levels of ignorance I thought you were capable of? You literally, in every sense of the term, haven't got a single clue about display technology have you? You are absolutely unbelievable.



Your precious vkworld s8. It's a budget phone with budget specs, what else needs to be said about it? You put that device on a massive pedestal and it makes no sense. You're delusional.

It seems like he doesn't understand any of the topics he wades into to tell everyone else that they're wrong. He's doing the same thing in the AMD Ryzen threads. The self awareness that some people lack is astounding.

 

[tyler_jrb]

there is no point in you having an OLED if it's not calibrated. you will end up with crushed blacks, missing details plus OLED's have flaws like the black splotches, etc.

obviously if you calibrate a VA it isn't magically going to have wide viewing angles of an IPS.

however colours and blacks aren't really an issue on any fully calibrated screen. the differences become very minimal to the point IMO it's not worth buying an OLED for yet. plus OLED's are crap for pc monitors due to screen burn, etc anyway so pointless discussing them.

OLED is a whole new league when compared to IPS even a professional screen, professionally calibrated.

The gaming IPS screens are crap to be honest. Really the only thing going for them is the viewing angles which if your sat in-front as anyone using a monitor is it isn’t a huge deal. And it’s not something really noticeable while gaming. Even my old £150 TN isn’t far off with a decent calibration.

I've probably put close to 500hrs into my OLED on just games. No issue with burn what so ever. Just needs varied use like any TV. I can say though that nothing comes anywhere near it, IPS looks like a badly calibrated TN in comparison.

 

[Len Dananey]

OLED is a whole new league when compared to IPS even a professional screen, professionally calibrated.

The gaming IPS screens are crap to be honest. Really the only thing going for them is the viewing angles which if your sat in-front as anyone using a monitor is it isn’t a huge deal. And it’s not something really noticeable while gaming. Even my old £150 TN isn’t far off with a decent calibration.

I've probably put close to 500hrs into my OLED on just games. No issue with burn what so ever. Just needs varied use like any TV. I can say though that nothing comes anywhere near it, IPS looks like a badly calibrated TN in comparison.

I have been considering a new monitor, was thinking of one of the Super wide screens but it needs to have Gsync, seeing as I noticed no difference between TN and IPS, which OLED would you pick mate?

 

[tyler_jrb]

I have been considering a new monitor, was thinking of one of the Super wide screens but it needs to have Gsync, seeing as I noticed no difference between TN and IPS, which OLED would you pick mate?

C9 probably if I wanted one due to VRR, I think even nvidia have confirmed gsync support for them. I currently have an E8 but there isnt really much point in upgrading as there isn’t much difference apart from VRR. Having a 2080Ti it does 4k 60hz constant without much issue.

Although there are great deals on the 7 and 8 series. Depends how much you want to spend.

Depends on your viewing distance too. I have mine at about 9-10ft and it’s pretty perfect at that. Wouldn’t recommend one any closer due to the size.

I have my OLED but I still have a gaming monitor for fps games.

Actually managed to get one of the LG 32” 1440p 165hz panel’s recently coming soon for just over £400. IPS lottery is not something I’d partake in again and for gaming seems like it will do just fine.

 

[V F]

OLED is a whole new league when compared to IPS even a professional screen, professionally calibrated.

The gaming IPS screens are crap to be honest. Really the only thing going for them is the viewing angles which if your sat in-front isn’t a huge deal. Even my old £150 TN isn’t far off with a decent calibration.

I've probably put close to 500hrs into my OLED on just games. No issue with burn what so ever. Just needs varied use like any TV.

Eizo IPS screens, the CG series they're truly beautiful as they're for design. No bleed in the blacks, everything is practically perfect on them and you get a stats sheet of all the colour tolerances from the factory for all the checks it has went through.

They're anything from £1500 plus.

Or go nuts with the CG3145 for $30,995.

 

[aoaaron]

C9 probably if I wanted one due to VRR, I think even nvidia have confirmed gsync support for them. I currently have an E8 but there isnt really much point in upgrading as there isn’t much difference apart from VRR. Having a 2080Ti it does 4k 60hz constant without much issue.

Although there are great deals on the 7 and 8 series. Depends how much you want to spend.

Depends on your viewing distance too. I have mine at about 9-10ft and it’s pretty perfect at that. Wouldn’t recommend one any closer due to the size.

I have my OLED but I still have a gaming monitor for fps games.

Actually managed to get one of the LG 32” 1440p 165hz panel’s recently coming soon for just over £400. IPS lottery is not something I’d partake in again and for gaming seems like it will do just fine.

Yeah its listed on their site as a Gsync compatible display now but firmwares still pending release.
I've used a C9 today with a custom UW resolution and its just in a different class.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Yeah its listed on their site as a Gsync compatible display now but firmwares still pending release.
I've used a C9 today with a custom UW resolution and its just in a different class.

Hdr gaming is immense too. No bleed, no clouding. Enter a dark cave and it’s jet black with only what is seen highlighted. Same with text, title screens etc let you appreciated the true black.

Enjoy , be good to hear your thoughts over the coming days.

 

[V F]

Hdr gaming is immense too. No bleed, no clouding. Enter a dark cave and it’s jet black with only what is seen highlighted. Same with text, title screens etc let you appreciated the true black.

Enjoy , be good to hear your thoughts over the coming days.

Horizon Zero Dawn must be mouth watering in OLED HDR.

 

[aoaaron]

Hdr gaming is immense too. No bleed, no clouding. Enter a dark cave and it’s jet black with only what is seen highlighted. Same with text, title screens etc let you appreciated the true black.

Enjoy , be good to hear your thoughts over the coming days.

Its just too much. Its literally just perfection. I kind of hate it. I watched my Panasonic 902B today and it looked beautiful.. then I saw a little bit of backlight banding. Then I saw some blackcrush on a persons' face. Then I saw some halo effect around a subtitle. It's just freaking annoying then I went back to the OLED and was like wow.

I played Gears 5 today on the OLED and level 1 is pitch black... and it was pitch black. The same scene on my CRG9 was just not that t all. My FALD has been doing so well... but this OLED comes along and just does everything effortlessly. Its nasty.

Also how the hell is this panel so responsive? I feel like I have no input lag. I feel like the pixels respond imemdiately. I can't see ghosting, I can't see a trail, I can't see blur. Even 60fps in game feels smooth af.


I have a decision to make soon. 55'' OLED at the desk or replace my 65'' panasonic 902b with an 65'' OLED.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Its just too much. Its literally just perfection. I kind of hate it. I watched my Panasonic 902B today and it looked beautiful.. then I saw a little bit of backlight banding. Then I saw some blackcrush on a persons' face. Then I saw some halo effect around a subtitle. It's just freaking annoying then I went back to the OLED and was like wow.

I played Gears 5 today on the OLED and level 1 is pitch black... and it was pitch black. The same scene on my CRG9 was just not that t all. My FALD has been doing so well... but this OLED comes along and just does everything effortlessly. Its nasty.

Also how the hell is this panel so responsive? I feel like I have no input lag. I feel like the pixels respond imemdiately. I can't see ghosting, I can't see a trail, I can't see blur. Even 60fps in game feels smooth af.


I have a decision to make soon. 55'' OLED at the desk or replace my 65'' panasonic 902b with an 65'' OLED.

That’s the beauty of OLED and it’s instant pixel response. Which means minimal input lag and no blur, no ghosting at all.

I think it’s just down to how the pixels are. They are organic and thus controlled instantly Vs LCD which twists liquid crystal.

4k 60hz is just butter smooth on it.

I kind of hate mine too . Once you see one it kinda makes it difficult to enjoy every other type of display .

I’d personally get the 65”. I don’t have the room to fit one so a 55” has been plenty enough for me but I do wonder how an 65” would be.

 

[aoaaron]

That’s the beauty of OLED and it’s instant pixel response. Which means minimal input lag and no blur, no ghosting at all.

I think it’s just down to how the pixels are. They are organic and thus controlled instantly Vs LCD which twists liquid crystal.

4k 60hz is just butter smooth on it.

I kind of hate mine too . Once you see one it kinda makes it difficult to enjoy every other type of display .

I’d personally get the 65”. I don’t have the room to fit one so a 55” has been plenty enough for me but I do wonder how an 65” would be.

Yeah If I get a 65'' I might just install it on a wall bracket which moves forwards, buy a PC chair and a small portable desk and do PC gaming like that but with the 5.1 surround sound still intact.

Its incredible. I can't believe I stayed away for it for this long. I made a decision 6 or 7 years ago whether to get an LCD Or plasma. I went LCD.
I had the decision a couple of years ago again to go 65'' 902B or 55' OLED. I went LCD.

For once I've went towards the videophile route and lord what have i been missing out on.