Vista only for Halo 2!

NathanE said:
Perhaps a slight exaggeration? ;) I know you miss the Up button... I hope they re-add it too. But for now we have to use the breadcrumbs in the address bar.


Wakey wakey... HDCP/HDMI is being pushed by the RIAA and MPAA. It has nothing to do with Microsoft or Vista or Games. Microsoft were forced to implement it so their customers would be able to play HiDef content.

Current Microsoft products already have DRM. But the problem is that most people seem to think DRM is evil and prevents them using the PC how they want to. The reality is very different. DRM is really only used by corporates or governments so they can keep close ties on documents/data. Outlook 2003 for example allows you to set an expiry date on an e-mail. A very important feature for government security agencies.
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Of course MS wouldn't abuse DRM would they?
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/30/msft_our_drm_licensi.html
 
exactly. i remember all the hype around halo 1, by th etime it came out on PC it looked appaling. IMHO it was a carp game as well. so dull, very few badly designed enemies, dull dull dull......

cant see many people upgrading just to play halo2, as mentioned above, so many smart looking games out or coming out soon that will make it look 2 years old the day of its release. poor old bill
 
It will all come down to cost,if vista cost £250+ at launch. No gamer will go out and buy it. Wont matter how good the games are you need the user base to buy them, I would say this is more of a test of the new vista system.
For the first year or two you would cut out a large number of potential buyers by going vista only.
Games were xp/me/98 for a long time after xp's launch.
 
ArchAnGeL said:
Of course MS wouldn't abuse DRM would they?
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/30/msft_our_drm_licensi.html
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Did you actually read the Link the article is talking about? I think the author of that article delibrately went out of his way to misinterpret the information being presented - e.g. satire. Of course any DRM implementation needs to lock out the "little guys", how else could it work? Oh and by "little guys/hobbyists" they don't me consumers (you & me) they mean developers/manufacturers. They don't want some tiny company or individual programmer to be able to use the DRM platform (at least, not without a license) because otherwise how else can they police it?

It's just like HDMI/HDCP. Every manufacturer who implements that requires a license. That license gives them the design specification document so they can implement it, but it also is a contract saying they aren't allowed to modify it - for the sole purpose that if they did the DRM would be cracked and rendered useless.
 
NathanE said:
Did you actually read the Link the article is talking about? I think the author of that article delibrately went out of his way to misinterpret the information being presented - e.g. satire. Of course any DRM implementation needs to lock out the "little guys", how else could it work? Oh and by "little guys/hobbyists" they don't me consumers (you & me) they mean developers/manufacturers. They don't want some tiny company or individual programmer to be able to use the DRM platform (at least, not without a license) because otherwise how else can they police it?

It's just like HDMI/HDCP. Every manufacturer who implements that requires a license. That license gives them the design specification document so they can implement it, but it also is a contract saying they aren't allowed to modify it - for the sole purpose that if they did the DRM would be cracked and rendered useless.
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So does this mean that independent 3rd party device drivers, like for example the redcloud XBCD driver which lets you use (and properly configure, unlike the MS drivers) the Xbox and Xbox360 controller with Windows, wouldn't work? What about video codecs like ffdshow? Just how restrictive is Vista going to be.
 
Toothpick said:
It will all come down to cost,if vista cost £250+ at launch. No gamer will go out and buy it. Wont matter how good the games are you need the user base to buy them, I would say this is more of a test of the new vista system.
For the first year or two you would cut out a large number of potential buyers by going vista only.
Games were xp/me/98 for a long time after xp's launch.
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For retail I'd expect it

Retail XP Home costs £180, XP Pro costs £260!

I do agree that it's way too expensive, but thankfully we can buy OEM when building PCs (which is still too much IMO but cheaper)

If XP was like £30 Home/£50 Pro that would be far better
 
ajgoodfellow said:
For retail I'd expect it

Retail XP Home costs £180, XP Pro costs £260!

I do agree that it's way too expensive, but thankfully we can buy OEM when building PCs (which is still too much IMO but cheaper)

If XP was like £30 Home/£50 Pro that would be far better
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Are you sure about that mate? Everywhere I am looking is showing the fully boxed retail versions of XP home and pro to be far less than the numbers you quoted. Some as low as £113 for home and £210 for pro. (inc. vat)
 
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ajgoodfellow said:
I just went to one well known high street retailer and quoted their in store prices - they aren't known for being cheap!
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Ahh fair play mate. I though maybe the numbers you quoted were Microsoft's RRP or something. :)
 
Yes but when xp was launched it was around £200 for full home edition. Given the trend for new os's to cost more than the last vista could be around £240.

You would go out and buy an xbox360 not vista to play halo2.

xp came out in 2001 I paid £100 for pro in 2004 I dont think anyone will care about halo2 after 2-3 years wait. Maybe halo3 though.
 
Glad to see all the normal half truths, uninformed clap trap and blatent codswallop gets wheeled out agin by the "MiCr0$o4t id *** Debil" brigade...

Do people ever read an entire article or research things before you make stuff up or do you always take one or two lines from something a friend heard from a friend who read something that must be true because he's l33t and if you take it out of context it proves your point?

If you want to actually understand anything about Vista i'd suggest Paul Thurrots Supersite, MSDN or NathanEs posts here.

For example "XP Pro costs £260 retail so will Vista (or more)"
Surely you already have an OS so would buy an upgrade, not a full packaged product. If you were building a new PC with no OS you'd buy OEM. That puts XP Pro at £90 and Home at £60.

"If XP was like £30 Home/£50 Pro that would be far better"
I agree... I mean, Microsoft isn't a business, it's there to give stuff away. I think Ferraris should be £10K like other cars, no house should be more than £50k, OCUK should sell their top end PC for £500 and CDs/DVDs shuld be £1 each..

:rolleyes:
 
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tmileson said:
Glad to see all the normal half truths, uninformed clap trap and blatent codswallop gets wheeled out agin by the "MiCr0$o4t id *** Debil" brigade...

Do people ever read an entire article or research things before you make stuff up or do you always take one or two lines from something a friend heard from a friend who read something that must be true because he's l33t and if you take it out of context it proves your point?

If you want to actually understand anything about Vista i'd suggest Paul Thurrots Supersite, MSDN or NathanEs posts here.

For example "XP Pro costs £260 retail so will Vista (or more)"
Surely you already have an OS so would buy an upgrade, not a full packaged product. If you were building a new PC with no OS you'd buy OEM. That puts XP Pro at £90 and Home at £60.

"If XP was like £30 Home/£50 Pro that would be far better"
I agree... I mean, Microsoft isn't a business, it's there to give stuff away. I think Ferraris should be £10K like other cars, no house should be more than £50k, OCUK should sell their top end PC for £500 and CDs/DVDs shuld be £1 each..

:rolleyes:
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Seriously, WHERE CAN I SUBSCRIBE!!

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P.S. to the guys above, xp pro costs £40 for a unlicensed original COA with unused key, you can use this COA on any xp professional (not corp) installation from any normal xp pro cd. XP home costs £60 is in retail form...
 
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Sorry if it sounded like I was having a go at anyone in particular, at my age a hangover and lack of sleep makes me grumpy ;)

Anyway there's some great stuff in that article the OP mentioned like...

Minimum specifications for Vista (formerly called Longhorn) will be released in the summer but information gathered from reviews of pre-release versions have given clues about its hunger for computer power.

With Vista, Microsoft has made big changes to the way it handles graphics. Unlike other versions of Windows, it will need an advanced video card to get the most out of it.
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I'm guessing if your video card can't cope with running an OS then it's not going to be playing latest gen FPS games, DX10/Vista or for that matter DX9 and XP in the first place :rolleyes:

Never let common sense and the real world get in the way of a good story though :D
 
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mrk said:
P.S. to the guys above, xp pro costs £40 for a unlicensed original COA with unused key, you can use this COA on any xp professional (not corp) installation from any normal xp pro cd. XP home costs £60 is in retail form...
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I've never seen prices anywhere near that cheap so I'm not sure where you got those figures from.
 
Yeah, there are power sellers selling original COAs for xpro at thos eprices, you don't get a cd obviously but the COA is all that matters to have a legit xp as you can use a friends cd..
 
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