Volkswagen cheats emissions tests!

[TW]Fox;28607638 said:
34mpg from a 2.0TdI Audi on a motorway isn't cheating. Its broken.

My 530i can do that!
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Indeed, my 2.0Tdi A4 does 42-46 around town and roundabouts, if driven on motorways in its life it is over 50.
That car must have had something broken, physically broken.
 
Housey said:
Most seemed to rolling road between 365 and 380 in my experience and they never felt like the full 414bhp experience. Mine was just a smidge quicker than an E46 M3 up to 120 then little in it really. Rollers never the most accurate and some American spod came here to tell me we were all wrong, they were all done wrong in wrong gear etc but he was wrong. People claim to be able to make them run the numbers claimed but I wanted Audi to do that, not people.
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That's way off. Can see why you'd be miffed! I assume it's not related to losses or anomalies from the "proper" quattro system?

It's a bit odd as VAG cars typically make the quoted figures or over. The 1.9 TDI 130 in my lovely Skoda used to typically rolling road in at least the high 130s, with a really good one making 145 IIRC. In standard trim. Oh and they didn't fiddle the emissions on them. ;)
 
MagicBoy said:
That's way off. Can see why you'd be miffed! I assume it's not related to losses or anomalies from the "proper" quattro system?
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No it is because the engine was bench tested when given its BHP figure. In a controlled environment with a perfectly straight intake, straight through exhaust ran on the Queens finest petrol etc, etc.

Everyone is guilty. Turbo's less so as exhaust and intake are less critical than they are on N/A plus boost can be greatly effected by temperature.
 
Interestingly on a VW forum a newly built UK Golf GTI that was about to be delivered to the dealers has been recalled back to the factory for "modification to engine exhaust management" looks like it's not just the diesel models that are affected.
 
While boost may be affected by temperature (and many other factors), there are many compensation tables within the ECU that will bring back the actual boost levels to the correct "desired" level.
In effect, rendering your comment on it, worthless. :D
 
xs2man said:
That was also my argument, but Audi UK were having none of it, and claimed it was expected. Then said I would have to take them to court to prove otherwise. I couldn't be assed with the hassle, and sold them the car back just to wash my hands of the situation. I didn't fancy going up against their lawyers, despite feeling I had a reasonable case.
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My mk6 petrol Golf GTI often hits an indicated 40mpg and I've seen it as high as 46mpg on a long run if I'm careful.
 
Ditched my 2009 Golf 1.6TDi Bluemotion today. Was going to get rid of it anyway but felt I had to quickly after all this. To be honest, it has been crap on economy, far lower than my previous 2007 Golf 2.0 Diesel GT Sport and that was so much more fun to drive. I reckon 20% less fuel economy which is a joke.

Going back to Petrol, got a new Honda Civic Sport turning up on Monday.
 
Genuinely interested to know why you had to get rid of it quickly after this. This being something which is only really relevant in the USA. If anything, the blanket media coverage must be driving their value down right now, best to wait until everyone has calmed down and forgotten about it I would have thought..
 
Now, heres the thing.

1) Is this likely to be an issue for UK owners?
2) If it is and a recall is ordererd, will owners have a LEGAL obligation to have their vehicles re-programmed?

I suspect that any reprogramming to meet running emissions standards will turn the relevent vehicles into absolute slugs!

So.

If you do NOT have a LEGAL obligation to hand the cars back for reprogramming I would advise not doing so! (Indeed, Pre outrage vehicles might actually end up being worth more rather than taking a hit on value)

Hmnn!;)
 
[TW]Fox;28607638 said:
34mpg from a 2.0TdI Audi on a motorway isn't cheating. Its broken.

My 530i can do that!
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That is truly dreadful!

I can do better than that with my 20 year old Landcruiser 4.2TD!:eek: (37 on long motorway runs, I once did Yorkshire and back from SW Surrey on a single tank with a third of a tank left over, quite astonishing really though she is suitably painful on local journeys (High teens to low twenties :p))
 
PapaLazaru said:
Ditched my 2009 Golf 1.6TDi Bluemotion today. Was going to get rid of it anyway but felt I had to quickly after all this. To be honest, it has been crap on economy, far lower than my previous 2007 Golf 2.0 Diesel GT Sport and that was so much more fun to drive. I reckon 20% less fuel economy which is a joke.

Going back to Petrol, got a new Honda Civic Sport turning up on Monday.
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Wait. What? You sold a 6year old car because of a scandal on new cars? Why?
 
Simon said:
Nitrous Oxides are little to do with global warming or fuel economy
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That's not true. Nitrous oxides do cause global warming. But you're probably talking about NOx.. Dealing with NOx in modern diesels by treating with urea/ammonia (e.g. AdBlue) actually creates CO2 as the product, which we all know does contribute to global warming. Back to square one?

Any retrofit solution using urea could potentially increase the CO2 emissions.. and impact tax bands etc.
 
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