Volkswagen cheats emissions tests!
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Soldato
Quite possibly, but I think we shall see that it is not their normal diesel cars affected but more the BlueMotion range as the lower vehicle taxes due to lower emissions were a big selling point, however pointless in the long term that is. My neighbour loves the fact that he pays none, even though he paid a premium for his car for the badge.
Caporegime
This is entirely up in the air. It depends whether the european lesiglators go after them and make them reclassify their emission levels, or let them get away with a recall if people choose.
If the latter I highly suspect the used car market won't give a damn and prices will remain stable.
There are two key unknowns here
1) did the ECU cheating help them cheat the reported levels of CO2 emissions as well as N0X? If Co2 is unaffected then car tax will stay the same and nobody will care
2) if the ECU cheating did help them attain lower levels of CO2, will they be made to reclassify the Co2 rating of the cars or will they let them get away with just a recall. If any car without the recall gets it co2 and tax band adjusted, then the value of cars without the recall could likely fall.
If the latter I highly suspect the used car market won't give a damn and prices will remain stable.
There are two key unknowns here
1) did the ECU cheating help them cheat the reported levels of CO2 emissions as well as N0X? If Co2 is unaffected then car tax will stay the same and nobody will care
2) if the ECU cheating did help them attain lower levels of CO2, will they be made to reclassify the Co2 rating of the cars or will they let them get away with just a recall. If any car without the recall gets it co2 and tax band adjusted, then the value of cars without the recall could likely fall.
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Soldato
Ok, but you are being slightly pedantic with my point, which was the affected known cars are now more widespread than was previously known by the public. That is all.
Soldato
Anyway, ultimately my point is that I am glad I shifted it on before todays news, regardless of whether my actual car was affected.
Caporegime
Public just heard 11 million cars and chose not to read the rest of the news that pointed out this affected all brands (Audi, Skoda, Seat & VW) and was worldwide then
Just for balance, I own a 2.0 TFSI Petrol Seat Leon so couldn't give a monkeys what actually happens after all of this. But i highly suspect the whole thing will blow over and people won't give a damn except for the tree hugging hippies who are already Leaving smug notes on people's windscreens
As a result car values will be unaffected since Joe Public doesn't care.
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Not trying to scaremonger, but as VAG has already had a 40% loss of market capitalisation, is facing a MASSIVE fine in multiple countries, is likely to sell fewer cars and will also probably have to apply technical fixes to potentially 11 million cars.
Assuming the above to be true, is there a possibility that the company could actually go under?
Assuming the above to be true, is there a possibility that the company could actually go under?
Depends how well they can negotiate fine payment terms.
The ECU is probably generic globally, however the detection bypass may only work/be useful on the US emissions test. However who knows, the same 'Urea boost' may be used for EU emissions tests to reduce NOx.
The cost to 'fix' all these cars is the big unknown, just a ECU flash or is it more complicated like a ECU change or even aftermarket Nox trap installs.
Soldato
Surely nothing like that will be let to happen... think of the job loss, the effect it would have on the industry, etc!
Caporegime
Really don't think that will happen, i'm sure the German Gov would bail them out, just think what we have bailed out in the past.......
Don
I doubt they will cease to exist, might be broken up into parts though.
You'd assume they'd probably just sell off one of the less tightly integrated brands like Lamborghini that don't do much platform sharing (compared to say Skoda, Seat, VW and Audi who share platforms across entire ranges) if they were really that hard up.
Soldato
Associate
How would all this effect if I was to choose a vw for my company car in the next few weeks?
Assuming of course they havent cheated to get past euro 6 tests?
Well, in their current form many current diesels wouldn't pass Euro 6 in more 'real world' reflective tests, which are supposedly coming in by 2017? (No accusation of cheating, just how unreflective current testing is)
In this report it's saying in tests by ADAC only 25% of 79 cars using the new testing method matched their current official performance, the rest exceeeded levels by various multiples
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...llution-in-real-driving-conditions-tests-show
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Given the amount they've admitted to, I would expect the Euro 6 cars are by the book. It would kill VW if they were caught cheating and lying, fessed up to it, then got caught lying about the same thing again, I don't think they'd be that brave / stupid.