Soldato
Now Audi.... lmao!
Volkswagen cheats emissions tests!
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Soldato
Hopefully we'll see more petrol engines heading to these shores.
Soldato
Hopefully this will speed up the death of the ICE
Man of Honour
with a EU 6 derv engine in my 2014 leon i'm pretty sure the news is going to hit soon that it's effected.
I bought it for a couple of reasons - initially i had a 1.4 but when someone drove into the side of it and wrote it off I had to find a replacement pretty quick. I do the mileage that makes it cheaper, the engine dynamics are find but ultimately there are just more of them around to get a decent one.
Its worrying that this will get fixed by some kind of detuning, effect the tax rate payable and/or generally devalue the car
I bought it for a couple of reasons - initially i had a 1.4 but when someone drove into the side of it and wrote it off I had to find a replacement pretty quick. I do the mileage that makes it cheaper, the engine dynamics are find but ultimately there are just more of them around to get a decent one.
Its worrying that this will get fixed by some kind of detuning, effect the tax rate payable and/or generally devalue the car
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I'm sure I read somewhere that VW said the EU6 engines were not affected, but the EU5 is. 'Course, you might not believe anything they say at the moment...
Soldato
The odd thing is the 2015 Golf Estate has been singled out in the US. AFAIK this has a EA288 series engine, the EU6 one...
Soldato
[TW]Fox;28618566 said:
At the moment !!
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[TW]Fox;28618566 said:
Except it is completely related.
The high NOx emissions are a direct consequence of trying to get low CO2/fuel consumption out of the diesel engine (by operating at too lean a burn and inadequate EGR).
So they can rectify the issue by changing the combustion mixture e.g. use more fuel / produce more CO2 (hello tax band) or modify the way EGR is dealt with (and kill performance, hmm..) or clean up the exhaust mixture (e.g. AdBlue, $$$)
Soldato
Problem with the US is significant EGR duty...possibly requiring low pressure variants with subsequent larger coolers will be REALLY hard to honour the 100k mileage expected on US emission control systems.
Sensible option of course is SCR urea.... It's a challenge to strategically retrofit,and I can tell you that from experience, let alone a legal screw up tactical nightmare.
Sensible option of course is SCR urea.... It's a challenge to strategically retrofit,and I can tell you that from experience, let alone a legal screw up tactical nightmare.
Soldato
How do current Euro6 cars without SCR systems achieve low enough NOx emissions?
NOx traps? Could these be relatively easily retrofitted do you think?
NOx traps? Could these be relatively easily retrofitted do you think?
Soldato
Mazda push the low compression ratio with skyactiv coupled with the lighter cars which is a nice elegant way to approach it. It was EU5 that killed the 2.2 iDTEC Honda though.
NOx traps are expensive, lots of petrol cars are lean burn ready but don't run it due to the cost for the trap, and of course there is the purge cycle to consider. For example the manual insights were only ULEV due to lean burn where the CVT with no lean were SULEV at the expensive of mpg. (Real and EPA)
NOx traps are expensive, lots of petrol cars are lean burn ready but don't run it due to the cost for the trap, and of course there is the purge cycle to consider. For example the manual insights were only ULEV due to lean burn where the CVT with no lean were SULEV at the expensive of mpg. (Real and EPA)
Soldato
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34399503
1.2 million affected in the UK now.
I knew it might have been slightly rash but I know this would be more widespread and am now much happier I sold it last Friday.
Caporegime
its not more widespread.
This is still the 11 million affected vehicles they declared right at the start. All they are doing now is breaking down where those 11 million are worldwide and how many each brand has across the group.
This is just the media hype with them reporting every new figure or statistic as though it were a newly discovered cheat. For what its worth, I expect joe public not to give two ****s about emissions and values of the car to be remai unchanged.
They've said they are going to contact the owners regarding a recall. All we need to do now is find out what VW intend to do at this recall.
This is still the 11 million affected vehicles they declared right at the start. All they are doing now is breaking down where those 11 million are worldwide and how many each brand has across the group.
This is just the media hype with them reporting every new figure or statistic as though it were a newly discovered cheat. For what its worth, I expect joe public not to give two ****s about emissions and values of the car to be remai unchanged.
They've said they are going to contact the owners regarding a recall. All we need to do now is find out what VW intend to do at this recall.
Soldato
I'm fairly confident that as of yet there isn't actually any evidence or confession from VW that they cheated any EU testing? Sure the test cycle software likely exists but they've no confessed to it resulting in a test pass in the EU when it should have failed. Have they?
I'm not suggesting either way, but I've been lapping this story up on the news and there's actually very little substance. I'm actually surprised with how little information VW has published.
I'm not suggesting either way, but I've been lapping this story up on the news and there's actually very little substance. I'm actually surprised with how little information VW has published.
Soldato
Maybe because when they do even more billions of pounds might be wiped of their value?
Any recall will costs billions and their entire range of BlueMotions, if affected (which is quite likely, let's be honest) will become redundant.
Soldato
Geographically. I sold my Golf Bluemotion last Friday as I had a nagging feeling it might be affected. Some people said why they are just in the USA?
Surely it's in their best interest is to keep quite and accept any punishment without a fuss, rather than incriminate themselfs further.
Caporegime
As Tesla has pointed out, they have confirmed the software used to cheat the US emissions test was installed on 11 million cars globally
There's still no actual word yet on whether any of those cars sold globally, actually needed the ECU software to pass the test in their respective countries.
The EU tests are approx 2.5 x more lax than the USA tests, so it is possible the european cars affected could have passed without it.
they confirmed 11 million cars globally. So its not been more widespread geographically either. Its only now that we are getting the break down by country however.
There's still no actual word yet on whether any of those cars sold globally, actually needed the ECU software to pass the test in their respective countries.
The EU tests are approx 2.5 x more lax than the USA tests, so it is possible the european cars affected could have passed without it.
they confirmed 11 million cars globally. So its not been more widespread geographically either. Its only now that we are getting the break down by country however.