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If that is the case, we should do a US and fine VW the equivalent sum based on UK sales and use the money to plug the funding gap of the NHS.
Volkswagen cheats emissions tests!
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If that is the case, we should do a US and fine VW the equivalent sum based on UK sales and use the money to plug the funding gap of the NHS.
This was my first thought. A lot of companies will be doing this to some degree.
I think people are misinterpreting what VW have done here, as I'm pretty sure it will have no effect on them outside of California.
They have detected when on a cycle to engage the EGR etc to reduce NOx artificially. They won't have needed to do this to meet EU requirements. This is a whole level beyond optimised settings, it was deliberately making the car function totally differently, as Johnny points out, to meet emissions that would normally need AdBlue.
The only knock on I would expect is other manufacturers that may have done the same to meet super tight NOx in the US.
They have detected when on a cycle to engage the EGR etc to reduce NOx artificially. They won't have needed to do this to meet EU requirements. This is a whole level beyond optimised settings, it was deliberately making the car function totally differently, as Johnny points out, to meet emissions that would normally need AdBlue.
The only knock on I would expect is other manufacturers that may have done the same to meet super tight NOx in the US.
Of course they are. When my car first starts it has a lumpy idle because they put in a mode to make it start in a lean fuel mapping, which lasts for about as long as the EU test took. And my cars 13 years old!
VW have just pushed it a bit further, as Kenai says, by making it act differently when it detects a test.
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Swing and a miss.
Are there any technical details on how it was achieved? The chap on TV this morning suggested they were just introducing more air into the mix, so the nitrogen oxides were effectively diluted.
Soldato
Good find.
So the increased dosing isnt really an issue, its how they have skewed it to deliver the emissions whilst maintaining a sensible service life / tank volume for the actual real world cars and hence not meeting legislation - crafty.
NOx is legal compliance unlike the EU CO2 ratings so its quite difference result.
It does raise the question about the validity of other car manufacturers emission control systems.
This could be compared to the widespread drug cheating in cycling. i.e. they needed to take drugs to be competitive but they knew it was illegal and scandal would follow.
This could be compared to the widespread drug cheating in cycling. i.e. they needed to take drugs to be competitive but they knew it was illegal and scandal would follow.
Interesting. Although it sounds like the tests are entirely lab based, which is why this wasn't picked up sooner. I didn't even know urea had been used to control emissions for so long. How they thought they wouldn't get caught though is another matter.
The lab and real world anomaly was identified in May 2014
Source : Autocar
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...company-was-dishonest-we-have-totally-screwed
If you drove the universally accepted drive cycle on the road then you will get the same emissions output and fuel economy. Its basically like F1 rules, understand the rules then understand the loopholes for an advantage.
Same as here in UK, if you drive the NEDC route you WILL get the exact figures. however people complain that when they drive differently that their figures dont match.
Who's fault is this? The OEM who face big fines if their CO2 is too high so do everything they can to minimise NEDC emissions? Or the people who set the test cycle - which could be argued is unrealistic?
Lab testing in this context will be in a fully controlled chassis dyno.
Same as here in UK, if you drive the NEDC route you WILL get the exact figures. however people complain that when they drive differently that their figures dont match.
Who's fault is this? The OEM who face big fines if their CO2 is too high so do everything they can to minimise NEDC emissions? Or the people who set the test cycle - which could be argued is unrealistic?
Lab testing in this context will be in a fully controlled chassis dyno.
Soldato
It's inevitable!
An analyst on Sky predicted this was just the beginning and hinted VAG aren't the only German car company at it. People would be silly to think it is exclusive to VAG.
Well Mercedes and BMW shares are down becuase of this worry. Or perhaps there is even insider information out there.
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Does Blackhawk plan to give a statement?
I doubt VAG were the only guys to be aware/clever enough to invent a system to circumvent the tests. Its just a matter of time i guess...
Real world, what does this mean for these cars? Does it mean they cant be sold on anymore until they are 'fixed'? They'll have their car tax changed? I know they are only talking US right now but i doubt the cars sold in the EU don't have the same software/systems on board.
Soldato
They're all guilty - VAG got caught.
I might buy a new Volkswagen now while they're cheap.....
I might buy a new Volkswagen now while they're cheap.....
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So they'll have to pay a fine. I doubt this will harm sales.