Vote: Chelsea vs Liverpool

Pigeon_Killer said:
If you had four Lampards in one midfield and four Gerrards in another which midfield would be stronger? That's the way I always ask my mates to look at the argument.
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But that questions is pointless you consider them both central midfielders, who cares who can play in what position.

When everyone says but Gerard is better all round, what does it matter, yes he can play right midfield but most teams have someone who can play RMF better, sure he can play RB but teams have better RBs aswell.

if i employ someone for a particular job i wouldnt care if he could do numerous jobs aswell i'd concentrate how well he could do the job assigned to him
 
I agree with a lot of people have said about Gerrard, he is often a one man player, plays for himself but lampard plays as a team, thats why Gerrard gets more praise because he always goes for it him self where Lampard just plays it arround. Yes, he is a very good goal scorer but he doesnt normally go forwad with the ball, if a ball of Crespos or Drogba or whoever comes back out lampard is oftne there to smash it back in the net. Thats why hes the better player, he works as a team and doesnt take over peoples possitions.

Gerrards good, but personally Lampard is better, although I do think together they could make quite a good centeral attacking middfield.
 
DaveBennett said:
I agree with a lot of people have said about Gerrard, he is often a one man player, plays for himself but lampard plays as a team, thats why Gerrard gets more praise because he always goes for it him self where Lampard just plays it arround. Yes, he is a very good goal scorer but he doesnt normally go forwad with the ball, if a ball of Crespos or Drogba or whoever comes back out lampard is oftne there to smash it back in the net. Thats why hes the better player, he works as a team and doesnt take over peoples possitions.
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You could argue that a few years back Gerrard would follow the ball and take other peoples posistions but he done that because he wanted to win and he took it as his responsibility to help the team when they were playing badly. But since Benitez has taken over he has brought in top midfielders so Gerrard doesn't need to be everywhere. You just have to look at last night, Gerrard was told to play Right Mid and he played Right Mid.
As for who is the better player, Gerrard or Lampard? For me Gerrard is better, there is no other player in world football that is as complete as him. He has no weak aspects of his game, Lampard is very good going forward but defensively he is poor, Vieira isn't affective going forward.
You have to remember that Lampard has only really come in to the spotlight since Abramhovic took over and Chelsea bourght great players to play around the likes or Lampard and Terry. Before these players were bourght (particuarly in Lampards case; Makelele) no one even mentioned Lampard as an international let alone "World Class", where as Gerrard was playing in a weak Houllier team and was still getting mentioned as "World Class". I think if you put Gerrard in Sunderland's team he would still be a star where as Lampard would just be a good player.
 
BaZ87 said:
You could argue that a few years back Gerrard would follow the ball and take other peoples posistions but he done that because he wanted to win and he took it as his responsibility to help the team when they were playing badly. But since Benitez has taken over he has brought in top midfielders so Gerrard doesn't need to be everywhere. You just have to look at last night, Gerrard was told to play Right Mid and he played Right Mid.
As for who is the better player, Gerrard or Lampard? For me Gerrard is better, there is no other player in world football that is as complete as him. He has no weak aspects of his game, Lampard is very good going forward but defensively he is poor, Vieira isn't affective going forward.
You have to remember that Lampard has only really come in to the spotlight since Abramhovic took over and Chelsea bourght great players to play around the likes or Lampard and Terry. Before these players were bourght (particuarly in Lampards case; Makelele) no one even mentioned Lampard as an international let alone "World Class", where as Gerrard was playing in a weak Houllier team and was still getting mentioned as "World Class". I think if you put Gerrard in Sunderland's team he would still be a star where as Lampard would just be a good player.
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:eek: That is spookily close to how I would've explained my choice for choosing Gerrard. I think Makelele has helped Lampard to shine by simply allowing him to get on with the attacking aspects of the football at Chelsea. That is why Lampard always gets so much attention in the press for his attacking displays. On the other hand, I think Alonso has taken away much of the attention from Gerrard. As you said, a few years ago under Houllier, Gerrard would've been responsible for breaking up the play and starting attacks, that is no longer the case. Alonso is used to break up the play and is also used as a playmaker. He has taken many of Gerrards old responsibilities. If Alonso gets a serious injury it will be interesting to see how well Gerrard plays with Sissoko because it will then be an identical partnership to that of Lampard and Makelele.
 
Gilly said:
Crespo
Cech
Terry
Lampard
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I agree.

Crespo is far better than Fowler.
Cech is 2nd only to Buffon.
Lampard is miles better than Gerrard, who imo is over-rated.
And Terry is better than Carragher, but Carragher is still a very good player.
 
fozzybear said:
Yeah go on then. I'd love to hear why Fowler is a better striker than Crespo. :)
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For comparisons i've ignored international and european games, and the goals per game rate for crespo is 2.4 and robbie fowler is 2.41. However taking previous seasons into account Crespo highest tally is 26 whereas Fowler has achieved 29.

Taking their careers as a whole I believe Fowler is a better striker, I'm not knocking Crespo at all I think he is a very good striker but I think Fowler on the whole is better.

Carragher is also a better player than Terry as he plays in his position which is defence he doesn't try to play as a goal keeper :p
 
LeoWyatt said:
For comparisons i've ignored international and european games, and the goals per game rate for crespo is 2.4 and robbie fowler is 2.41. However taking previous seasons into account Crespo highest tally is 26 whereas Fowler has achieved 29.

Taking their careers as a whole I believe Fowler is a better striker, I'm not knocking Crespo at all I think he is a very good striker but I think Fowler on the whole is better.
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Fair point that Fowler has been more successful over his career but at this moment in time Crespo is better (hate to say it, but even im not that biased)
 
Think its a hard call between Crespo and Fowler but I'm a red so I'd go for Fowler :D Think his goals per game average is higher than Mr Crespo's too but feel free to prove me wrong (like you need inviting!!)

Gerrard v Lampard - Not a great fan of Lampard, think he's a good player but overrated, as someone above said he wouldn't shine out as brightly in other circumstances and I believe Gerrard would.

Carragher v Terry - Carragher has the ability to be everywhere. So does Terry butso do his hands a little too much (- Henchoz and his amazing goalkeeping skills might be a better comparison for this one :p). Terry is a workhorse, I think this is quite evenly matched - imo they are both class players and do the job for their club.

Reina v Cech - Think it's too early to call on Reina (saw him last night getting out of his dinky little Porsche 911 at Anfield) so I'd have to go with Cech but ask again in a years time.
 
BaZ87 said:
Fair point that Fowler has been more successful over his career but at this moment in time Crespo is better (hate to say it, but even im not that biased)
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Fair point again but the question is
Best Striker: Robbie Fowler or Herman Crespo?
No timeframe given so it's open to interpretation:)

Edited to say : Robbie was redder than his shirt when he was sub'd last night he was so puffed out, so I'd have to agree with you on that one :D
 
Non Liverpool fans must remember that Fowler is considered the next best thing to god. So even if he sits down in the game, and does nothing, they'll still think he's the best in the world.
Despite the fact that he's rubbish compared to Crespo.
 
BoomAM said:
Non Liverpool fans must remember that Fowler is considered the next best thing to god. So even if he sits down in the game, and does nothing, they'll still think he's the best in the world.
Despite the fact that he's rubbish compared to Crespo.
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Not true, if you read up you'll see quite a few Liverpool fans who picked Crespo ahead of Fowler, because right now Crespo is the better striker, obviously its slightly different if you look at their careers. I have my doubts about Fowlers ability now, particularly his fitness, but hey, he cant be any worse than the rest of our strikers.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
If you had four Lampards in one midfield and four Gerrards in another which midfield would be stronger? That's the way I always ask my mates to look at the argument.
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Thinking of it that way i'd say Gerrard, because he has better defensive ability than Lampard, but in terms of going finishing and attacking play Lampard has the advantage, but then Gerrard can also play on the wing, which Lampard can't do very well, so i'd have to say Gerrard.

As for the others, last season was Cech no doubt, but this season, i think Reina is making that a very close contest, not gonna vote on that one...

Fowler is a better finisher than Crespo, his conversion rate is far superior to Crespo. Put Fowler in the Chelsea team and he would have buried far more of the opportunities that Crespo missed, so I will say Fowler.

JT is an awesome defender, but he is gonna get sent off in the world cup if he doesn't learn to keep his bloody hands down!!

Caragher is not gonna make that kind of mistake, but he isn't as good as JT, just less likely to be sent off....
 
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