Wayne Rooney banned for three England Euro 2012 matches
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average no, an idiot, most certainly
tbh I have no idea whether I would take him to the Euro finals if it was my decision
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Given the players that have been taken to major championships when clearly not fit - including Rooney himself to SA - it wouldnt be a bad plan to have a player of that standard to come into the reckoning after the group stage.
If its deemed that England cant possibly give up ONE space in the squad and it would jeorpardise their chances of qualification if he was selected then the problems go way deeper than Rooneys 3 game ban.
Most nations with ambition would have enough confidence in the rest of the squad to take Rooney in the expectation of getting past the group stage.
Not sure why there is the backlash against this decision, describing it as "OTT" when violent conduct such as this would be an automatic 3 match ban in the Premiership.
UEFA take previous into consideration and as he has already been sent off for England in the past it is hardly surprising that he wasn't let off the hook.
No doubt the consipiracy theories will be rolled out about UEFA have got it in for England, the world is against us but the only person in the world who should receive the blame for this is Rooney himself.
Was it the most malicious, violent piece of conduct you've ever witnessed on the pitch? No.
Did the guy really get hurt so badly he had to collapse to the deck like a sack of spuds? Probably not.
Did Rooney lash out in an unprovoked fashion, giving the Referee no option but to send him off? Yes.
As soon as you kick someone with no attempt to play the ball you are asking for trouble, it's the same as when you raise you hands to a guys face, take Gervinho vs Barton earlier this season hardly a haymaker but you are leaving yourself open to getting banned when you do these sort of things.
UEFA take previous into consideration and as he has already been sent off for England in the past it is hardly surprising that he wasn't let off the hook.
No doubt the consipiracy theories will be rolled out about UEFA have got it in for England, the world is against us but the only person in the world who should receive the blame for this is Rooney himself.
Was it the most malicious, violent piece of conduct you've ever witnessed on the pitch? No.
Did the guy really get hurt so badly he had to collapse to the deck like a sack of spuds? Probably not.
Did Rooney lash out in an unprovoked fashion, giving the Referee no option but to send him off? Yes.
As soon as you kick someone with no attempt to play the ball you are asking for trouble, it's the same as when you raise you hands to a guys face, take Gervinho vs Barton earlier this season hardly a haymaker but you are leaving yourself open to getting banned when you do these sort of things.
Glad he is suspended, utter tripe.
Parker?
You cite Beckham but I can think of England players who are no more childish and/or arrogant than he has been at times.
WR needs to sort this aspect of his game out - but saying that a two match ban would be a decent ban, 3 imo is too much
Either way England cant afford not to take him , just in case they do get through the group stage (they should always aim to, and maybe even expect to , but on current form they certainly dont deserve to)
Capello should at the very least give himself the choice of having WR available fresh, even if for whatever reason given the opponant / circumstances in the summer he isnt suitable (lets say a minor injury from training) to start
Either way England cant afford not to take him , just in case they do get through the group stage (they should always aim to, and maybe even expect to , but on current form they certainly dont deserve to)
Capello should at the very least give himself the choice of having WR available fresh, even if for whatever reason given the opponant / circumstances in the summer he isnt suitable (lets say a minor injury from training) to start
There's loads. Just from the team I know watching week in week out, Joe Hart, Milner, Barry, Lescott, Richards if Capello ever let him on the bloody pitch, and there will be more from other teams. Decent blokes from anything a fan can measure them by, solid players, in Joe Harts case the best keeper we've had in years. On a side note with all this talk of Phil Jones being future England captain and needing good role models etc, why the heck Joe Hart isn't captain right now I have no idea. A mountain at City, on par with Kompany in people other players look to and no reason why he won't be Englands number one for the next decade at least. You may not agree that any of those players should even be in the team, but you certainly can't knock them for lack of decency or effort.
Joe Hart isn't captain of his club and has never played in a major international tournament, heck never even played in the knockout stages of the Champions League and has less than 15 caps - far too lacking in top level experience and generally speaking having a keeper as captain can be problematic as it makes it harder for him to be involved in incidents further up the pitch.
Compare this to say Terry who has captained club for many years including CL final, captained England, played in World Cups and Euros, more than 5 times as many caps as Hart, regarded as a leader on the pitch and plays at CB which is a much better position for a captain all else being equal.
Compare this to say Terry who has captained club for many years including CL final, captained England, played in World Cups and Euros, more than 5 times as many caps as Hart, regarded as a leader on the pitch and plays at CB which is a much better position for a captain all else being equal.
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Works out alright for Spain? We're always going on about having poor role models in the squad, yes Hart is inexperienced compared to Terry, but everyone seems to be calling for the old guards head whenever England play and starting fresh with a new batch ala Germany. Why shouldn't Hart be at the front of that queue if we're considering Jones to be future England captain material? You don't know how well someone will fulfill the role until you give it to them. Well, give it to him, see how it works out. Christ we've tried everything else.
And you'll no doubt think it should be given to a United player. Join the discussion or not. You don't have to instantly jump to being a condescending ****
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Seriously Tom's right, suggesting Hart should be England captain is just silly, there's plenty of players with more experience than him, both at being a captain and football in general.
I'm also pretty strongly against keepers being captains for the reasons listed already.
I'm also pretty strongly against keepers being captains for the reasons listed already.
And yet you wrote that without sounding like an arse
The general attitude to one another is low enough in here with club rivalries etc as it is, I just don't see why people can't be more civil. I was perhaps a little strong in my original wording. What I'm really confused about is how Jones can be talked up as future England captain whilst Hart is not, despite the best country football side in the world having a keeper as their captain.
Or maybe the captain doesn't make as much difference as we like to believe and we should just give it to the bloke most likely to be the first name on the teamsheet for the longest period of time? I don't know. It's nothing like as daft a suggestion as you seem to be suggesting though, nor warrant of the narky comments.
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That's not what you initially said though is it, you said Hart should be England captain now. Surely you can see why that idea is ridiculous?
As for Jones the media have just got a fixation on talking up centre backs as future England captains, they did it 8 years ago with John Terry. I assume it's probably got something to do with Bobby Moore being captain when England won the world cup in 1966 as you never hear the media talking up a midfielder or striker being a future captain.
On a side note I do agree with you about the atmosphere in the SA these days. G|mp had the right idea by getting out of it all, curiosity and boredom gets the better of me though
Talking about somebody as a future captain is a different thing from suggesting somebody should be made captain now. If anyone said Phil Jones should be England captain now I'd tell them the same as I did for Hart, no way Jose.
My view is we shouldn't get too het up on future captains, it's basically a way of jumping on a young prospect who shows certain qualities and building up the hype, but I say why not cross that bridge when we come to it? In terms of football in general I think people spend far too much time thinking about the future anyway, when we should be concentrating on the here and now, in 9 months time we've got a tournament to win, pick the 2012 captain and team now and worry about the 2016+ captain and team in the future.
As for Casillas he is a far better candidate for Captain than Hart because:
-He is captain of his club and country so has a proven track record in the role
-He has been capped well over 100 times more than Hart
-He has more experience
-He has played in and won major international trophies i.e. Euro, WC, CL etc
Spain do well not because they have Casillas as captain, they do well because they have the best players. Personally, I'd probably have had Puyol as captain but that ship has sailed now.
My view is we shouldn't get too het up on future captains, it's basically a way of jumping on a young prospect who shows certain qualities and building up the hype, but I say why not cross that bridge when we come to it? In terms of football in general I think people spend far too much time thinking about the future anyway, when we should be concentrating on the here and now, in 9 months time we've got a tournament to win, pick the 2012 captain and team now and worry about the 2016+ captain and team in the future.
As for Casillas he is a far better candidate for Captain than Hart because:
-He is captain of his club and country so has a proven track record in the role
-He has been capped well over 100 times more than Hart
-He has more experience
-He has played in and won major international trophies i.e. Euro, WC, CL etc
Spain do well not because they have Casillas as captain, they do well because they have the best players. Personally, I'd probably have had Puyol as captain but that ship has sailed now.