Wayne Rooney

The Running Man said:
But shearer played for a much worse team all of his career.
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but he always played as an out and out striker for his career, Rooney has played all over the pitch for Utd and asked to sacrifice his starting position to incorporate other figures who are less flexible in to the team. Swings & Roundabouts

Rooney is a great goalscorer, He hasn't quite developed into the player I would have liked, with his ambitious runs, pace and power as well as viscous shots, but he isn't average.
 
I think anyone who says rooney is average needs their head read. I think a lot of the anger towards him comes from his awful england performances, playing for manU, and his wayward morals.

He has failed to develop into a pele type player but thats not his fault. SAF insisted on making him play in some dam stupid places for his style but fair play to him he did.

His current fitness levels are a cause for concern. During the wages furore he was sent off to america to get fit, i think he should do the same once the cut is healed.
 
Like I've said before Rooney was never going to stay the same type of player as he was when he burst onto the scene, no player plays the same way for their entire career, take Giggs as an example my last image of him as a real flying winger was probably 1997 against Juventus, since then he adapted his game to being much more of a dribbler and then as he got older Fergie moved him infield. Another example would be Ronaldo, he arrived a winger with all the step-overs and tricks before he adapted his game and now there's fewer tricks and far less wing play but what he is now is a monster goalscorer.

Rooney's full throttle approach was never going to last for long, his body wouldn't of been able to handle it and defenders would have eventually sussed him out, what he has become though is a very good goal scorer capable of leading the line on his own or on his day dictating play from a deeper position.

Like carlazai said him playing for Man Utd and being pretty rubbish for England when the media hang the hopes of the nation on him influences people's opinion, no one expects Gerrard to carry England, no one expects Lampard to either but with Rooney they do.
 
You can't compare apple to oranges. Not sure why people are comparing Cole to Rooney, bit bizarre.

Personally think Rooney is suffering from lack of motivation, obviously he shouldn't be, he's getting 200k a week or whatever it is, but professional sport is different. Man U have been steadily moving backwards compared to the squards around them, i think he see's that. Anyone who's says Rooney isn't decent tho is absolutely daft, Drunkenmaster? i'm looking at you. Not sure what football you watch but he still scored how many goals last season? 35?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Anyone that thinks RVP was useless till 2 seasons ago doesn't get football at all.

Not least because he's almost always had very good starts/goals ratio between injuries and Wenger dropping him for no reason. He's also chipped in with plenty of assists, what people who have fish memories forget is, 2 years ago he started playing as an out and out striker, since then he's scored 52 in 58 games I believe. Before then he started as a winger, and then continued in the Bergkamp role for a long time he played for probably 6 of 8 years at Arsenal in a role closer to Kagawa than the role he's playing now, and hence wasn't scoring as an out and out striker would.

He's been a little worse in his all around game in the past two years, his goal scoring has improved as in he's actually improved his finishing a bit but its mostly that he is getting more chances in a different role. His all around game has suffered a bit purely because its been used less, he's still an excellent playmaker, just not being used in that role at the moment. He shows far more vision, creativity, passing, crossing, creating goals for others when he plays as a withdrawn striker.
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Il admit my use of the word useless was probably an unfair exaggeration but there's no need to go slinging accusations about peoples knowledge of the game, you know nothing about me...

I'm amusing by the way you reacted that you are an arsenal fan. I almost completely agree with the rest of your statement apart from the point somebody else edged on when talking about Alan shearer. A lot of the time when you have a special player around average players it makes them shine brighter. Arsenal have done nothing for about 6 seasons, both van Persie and fabregas grew as players during that time. I'm not going to suddenly jump on last seasons let's all bum van Persie because he got me loads of points at fantasy football bandwagon. My point is perhaps he did do more behind the scenes in previous seasons but he was playing on the Wing with aarshavin and Walcott as competition, for an international playmaker as you appear to label him that's not much competition.

If van Persie continues his form for man utd perhaps he will show to be a versatile talented striker. Forgive me for not jumping on the arsenal/ fantasy football/ Fifa 12 bandwagon of thinking the sun shines out of his backside just because he scored a few goals last season.

Anyhow the topic was about Rooney....
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Hold on, we're talking about Ashley? I thought when Lampard and Cole were mentioned as being better footballers we were talking about Joe :o
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why the heck would have i been referring to joe cole? lol

ashley cole and frank lampard are far better footballers than rooney. i don't see how anyone could disagree.

what price would you put on lampard, even now?
 
Tom84 said:
Rooney's full throttle approach was never going to last for long, his body wouldn't of been able to handle it
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I dont like to do the I told you so thing but no sooner did I say the above Rooney has come out with this;

Rooney has also revealed that his body is not as durable as it used to be, with 10 years at the top of his chosen profession having taken its toll.

"Physically I've taken a bit of a battering over the years; being lumped by Transformer-sized centre-backs or having my muscles smashed by falls, shoulder barges and last-ditch tackles, day in, day out, has left me a bit bruised," he said.

"When I get up in the morning after a game, I struggle to walk for the first half-an-hour. I ache a bit. It wasn't like that when I was a lad.

"I remember sometimes when I finished training or playing with Everton and United, I'd want to play some more. But football has had a massive impact on my body because my game is based on speed, power and intensity.

"Like any player I'm fearful of getting a career-ending injury. I could be in the best form of my life and then one day a bad tackle might finish my time in the sport. It's over then.

"But that's the risk I take as a player in every match. I know football is such a short career that one day, at any age, the game could be snatched from me unexpectedly.

"So I want to decide when I leave football, not a physio, or an opponent's boot."
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I wonder if he'll take up coaching when he retires or follow other players and get more involved with horse racing? Having said that, given his past there's more chance he'll open up a whore house than a stable :o
 
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