*** Weekend Football - 14th / 15th ***

Take his mates in the Gillette adverts for starters. You don't see Federer or Woods using their hands, illegally, to keep the ball in do you?
*shrug* Who knows whether he's kept quiet when he knew a ball was out, or failed to correct an umpire's line call in his favour when he knew it wasn't in...is that cheating?

Golf is a bit different as I'm not sure how feasibly you can cheat without it being totally obvious at that level :p
 
*shrug* Who knows whether he's kept quiet when he knew a ball was out, or failed to correct an umpire's line call in his favour when he knew it wasn't in...is that cheating?

Golf is a bit different as I'm not sure how feasibly you can cheat without it being totally obvious at that level :p

*points over yonder*

"Look! Megan Fox is nude"

*everyone looks*

*kicks golf ball nearer the hole*

"oooo sorry looked like her from 'ere"
 
:D

Robbie Keane should have finished that sitter he had in normal time.

You win some, you lose some, thats football.
 
*shrug* Who knows whether he's kept quiet when he knew a ball was out, or failed to correct an umpire's line call in his favour when he knew it wasn't in...is that cheating?

Golf is a bit different as I'm not sure how feasibly you can cheat without it being totally obvious at that level :p

Dropping a ball when looking for it in the rough? :p


Not that I've ever done such a thing. :o
 
Firstly, he missed.

Secondly, he didn't dive, he went round Seaman and stumbled. It was neither a dive nor a foul, something which everyone, including refs, seem less and less inclined to believe in nowadays.

It was a dive! Odd way to stumble ;) Yes his missed, but the goal seem to happened because of the penalty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1sU12e3j5I
 
It doesn't surprise me the ones defending Henry here, you do know he doesn't play for Arsenal anymore, you don't have to defend him or point at other players to somehow justify what he did. Henry is a cheat, he cheated last night. He has brought shame on himself and his country. He deliberately cheated for his team to gain an advantage and they scored from it. No amount of 'but everyone does', or 'he's not the only one' with regards to cheating excuses what he did last night. Game after game, week after week we see cheating, we see poor refereeing and nothing is done about it. Nobody at FIFA or UEFA is interested in really addressing the real problems in football today.

Nothing Henry has said excuses his behaviour, pointing at the referees and linesman especially doesn't excuse using his hands to keep the ball in play and setting up a goal. He gets zero respect from me and I'm glad such a fuss is being made of it in France, the fans didn't want their team to go through in that fashion.
 
I agree Henry cheated 100%.

All players would do that, gaining an advantage, doing anything to win. That doesn't excuse him doing it.

The Ref's should have picked up on it, the linesman imo, had a clear view.

However, it's easy to blame that, Had Robbie Keane finished his sitter Ireland would have won in normal time ;)
 
Not all players would do the same, there are honest footballers out there. But until the people in power at FIFA and UEFA clamp down on cheating, cheaters will always prosper. I agree that the referee should have been in a better position but for Henry to say it's up to the referee and linesman to catch him at it is a joke. He's trying to fob the blame off him and onto the officials. The fault primarily lies with Henry. He's a classless ***** of a man.
 
It was a dive! Odd way to stumble ;) Yes his missed, but the goal seem to happened because of the penalty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1sU12e3j5I

His back foot clipped his front foot. He fell over. It was a clumsy stumble. :)

Either way, had Henry gone to the ref. last night and said that it wasn't a goal last night, people would be feeling a lot better towards him now, whether the ref. had allowed it or not.

You can argue that Fowler ought to have blazed that ball over, and (perhaps) would be justified in doing so, but last night had Henry done what Fowler did, the ball would have been entirely in the ref.'s court as to whether or not to let the goal stand. As it was, by not saying anything, Henry must take responsibility himself.

It's all very well to say that other players cheat, and this is true. However, it doesn't negate the fact that better refereeing or, more realistically without the development of zoom-vision and x-ray specs, TV replays would lead to a drop in this problem which is threatening to ruin a fantastic sport.
 
It doesn't surprise me the ones defending Henry here, you do know he doesn't play for Arsenal anymore, you don't have to defend him or point at other players to somehow justify what he did. Henry is a cheat, he cheated last night. He has brought shame on himself and his country. He deliberately cheated for his team to gain an advantage and they scored from it. No amount of 'but everyone does', or 'he's not the only one' with regards to cheating excuses what he did last night. Game after game, week after week we see cheating, we see poor refereeing and nothing is done about it. Nobody at FIFA or UEFA is interested in really addressing the real problems in football today.

Nothing Henry has said excuses his behaviour, pointing at the referees and linesman especially doesn't excuse using his hands to keep the ball in play and setting up a goal. He gets zero respect from me and I'm glad such a fuss is being made of it in France, the fans didn't want their team to go through in that fashion.

Whose defending what he did, I see no one really doing so, there are genuine questions as to his intentions thoughts and motivation to do what he did. Is anyone decide he ran to that near post before the ball was knocked in intending to hand ball it, its doubtful, but he handballed it, maybe he could have said to the ref the goal shouldn't stand, maybe not.

The thing is I don't for a single second believe anyone in the Ireland camp would have done differently, its the talking about it this morale highground Ireland are parading around on, Duff has cheated for Ireland to get a penalty, Keane dives, not often he's not a frequent cheater, for me I don't class him with a Ronaldo or Gerrard, but I can't name a player who hasn't conned the ref, I can't name one who hasn't done it multiple times, I can only name a handful that do it multiple times in most games they play in. Those guys for me are real cheats, Henry, cheated, like EVERY footballer.

Its just riles me that Ireland are acting as if none of them cheat, there was "cheating" in that game from Ireland, the difference, the outcome of the cheating, nothing more or less. Cheating is cheating the more you do it the worse you are, the result of the cheating doesn't mean you cheat more than others, its a single decision, I can't remember a huge quantity of other times Henry has cheated, no matter the scale of what resulted from the handball, its still just a handball, something that occurs in almost every single game in football. I don't forget the guys career or brand him a bigger cheat than anyone else. Nor do I pretend no Arsenal players haven't cheated, nor England players, nor Irish.

At the moment everyone cheats, sometimes the cheating will result in red cards for others, sometimes in goals, sometimes in yellows/reds for the attempt to cheat, not sure how thats different to the past 30 years of football, as shown by Maradona doing it so long ago, and Ireland inbetween.


Frankly the Russian game was far worse and they have a million times more right to feel agrieved than Ireland, who weren't going to win anyway. Russia were the better team, and when one or two Slovenian players should have been sent off, including the goalkeeper, instead the ref ridiculously sent off 2 Russian players. I have no doubt Russia would have won if the Slovak goalkeeper was sent off but they didn't go through. I have basically no doubt France would have won without the handball, and they went through.
 
Henry isn't a classless ***** of a man lol

He's a good footballer, and in part he's right, cheating happens, and it's up to the officals to catch and clamp down on it. Footballers want to win, at any cost!

It's what makes football so good, you get bad decisions and good ones, you miss chances to win the game and lose to a bad decision.
 
Henry isn't a classless ***** of a man lol

He's a good footballer, and in part he's right, cheating happens, and it's up to the officals to catch and clamp down on it. Footballers want to win, at any cost!

It's what makes football so good, you get bad decisions and good ones, you miss chances to win the game and lose to a bad decision.

It shouldn't be like that, it's only like that because everyone just accepts that attitude. What happened to sportsmanship? honour? respect?
 
Whose defending what he did, I see no one really doing so, there are genuine questions as to his intentions thoughts and motivation to do what he did. Is anyone decide he ran to that near post before the ball was knocked in intending to hand ball it, its doubtful, but he handballed it, maybe he could have said to the ref the goal shouldn't stand, maybe not.

The thing is I don't for a single second believe anyone in the Ireland camp would have done differently, its the talking about it this morale highground Ireland are parading around on, Duff has cheated for Ireland to get a penalty, Keane dives, not often he's not a frequent cheater, for me I don't class him with a Ronaldo or Gerrard, but I can't name a player who hasn't conned the ref, I can't name one who hasn't done it multiple times, I can only name a handful that do it multiple times in most games they play in. Those guys for me are real cheats, Henry, cheated, like EVERY footballer.

Its just riles me that Ireland are acting as if none of them cheat, there was "cheating" in that game from Ireland, the difference, the outcome of the cheating, nothing more or less. Cheating is cheating the more you do it the worse you are, the result of the cheating doesn't mean you cheat more than others, its a single decision, I can't remember a huge quantity of other times Henry has cheated, no matter the scale of what resulted from the handball, its still just a handball, something that occurs in almost every single game in football. I don't forget the guys career or brand him a bigger cheat than anyone else. Nor do I pretend no Arsenal players haven't cheated, nor England players, nor Irish.

At the moment everyone cheats, sometimes the cheating will result in red cards for others, sometimes in goals, sometimes in yellows/reds for the attempt to cheat, not sure how thats different to the past 30 years of football, as shown by Maradona doing it so long ago, and Ireland inbetween.


Frankly the Russian game was far worse and they have a million times more right to feel agrieved than Ireland, who weren't going to win anyway. Russia were the better team, and when one or two Slovenian players should have been sent off, including the goalkeeper, instead the ref ridiculously sent off 2 Russian players. I have no doubt Russia would have won if the Slovak goalkeeper was sent off but they didn't go through. I have basically no doubt France would have won without the handball, and they went through.

Hold on a second DM, people are defending what he did here. It seems to be alright because it's nothing new, footballers cheat every week, blah blah blah etc. And look you brought up the Maradona incident, when did that happen again? 23 years ago, and look here we are all these years later and something as simple as catching a player using his hands on the ball to gain an unfair advantage goes by again. Something needs to be changed.

Ireland aren't acting like none of them cheat or have cheated, I would condemn the same incident had it been Duff or Keane handling the ball in the same manner for Ireland to score the winner. I am just incredibly sick of it. What makes it worse is that before the game there weren't many fans that thought it was possible to beat France and go through. But during the game there were chances and overall I thought Ireland deserved more from it. Playing the former World and European champions at home and showing more passion and determination. If France had scored a goal in normal circumstances, there would be no complaints. But they didn't, Henry cheated, France scored. End of story. FIFA couldn't give a toss, Platini and Blatter couldn't give a toss. There will never in a million years be a replay of the match.

Nobody is branding him a bigger cheat than anyone else, this is the same old tired argument when somebody dives or cheats. Few can accept that a player cheats, they always have to bring up previous incidents of other players who have cheated and got away with it as some sort of justification. All of them should be punished, I'm not isolating Henry as the only one who has ever cheated in the history of football. But I'm talking about the biggest incident of the match last night that changed the game. Can you not see that without bringing up 'everyone does it'? It's time for the people with power in world football to shake it up, wake up and make changes for the interests of fair play.

I do wonder how big an incident has to be before FIFA/UEFA finally accept that changes need to be made.
 
Henry isn't a classless ***** of a man lol

He's a good footballer, and in part he's right, cheating happens, and it's up to the officals to catch and clamp down on it. Footballers want to win, at any cost!

It's what makes football so good, you get bad decisions and good ones, you miss chances to win the game and lose to a bad decision.

He is, he's also a coward. He knows he did wrong but can't actually admit it without trying to deflect blame onto the officials. You are defending his actions last night. It doesn't make football so good, this is such a bull**** argument like 'we'd have no talking points after a game' if there were only right decisions made, what a load of rubbish.
 
It shouldn't be like that, it's only like that because everyone just accepts that attitude. What happened to sportsmanship? honour? respect?

Winning is more important to most people. You only have to look at comments on here of fans defending their own players. Evans drop kicked Drogba and should've been sent off IMO, N'gog dived against Birmingham IMO etc. etc. and yet everyone comes up with excuses for their players.

No-one can claim the moral high ground here because the Irish cheat, the French cheat, the English cheat and every other other nation on earth.
 
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