*** Weekend Football - 14th / 15th ***

Visionary said:
Winning is more important to most people. You only have to look at comments on here of fans defending their own players. Evans drop kicked Drogba and should've been sent off IMO, N'gog dived against Birmingham IMO etc. etc. and yet everyone comes up with excuses for their players.

No-one can claim the moral high ground here because the Irish cheat, the French cheat, the English cheat and every other other nation on earth.
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Care to provide an example of the English cheating in recent years??
 
Visionary said:
No-one can claim the moral high ground here because the Irish cheat, the French cheat, the English cheat and every other other nation on earth.
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Why is the 'high ground' necessary when discussing issues? Surely shouldn't arguments be technically independent of their authors? If a fat man came up to you and said excess calories cause you to gain weight and you should try to avoid over-eating, would his weight automatically mean that his argument is invalid and what he's saying is false?

As repeated many times above, 'everyone else does it' isn't an argument that works outside of the playground.
 
guyfawkes5 said:
Why is the 'high ground' necessary when discussing issues? Surely shouldn't arguments be technically independent of their authors? If a fat man came up to you and said excess calories cause you to gain weight and you should try to avoid over-eating, would his weight automatically mean that his argument is invalid and what he's saying is false?

As repeated many times above, 'everyone else does it' isn't an argument that works outside of the playground.
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I'm not saying 'everyone does it' so it's alright. It's obviously not right but I other than the Irish everyone else should just get over it. A few weeks down the line and we'll people slagging of Henry now, defending their own players for dives etc. It just gets a bit boring with everyone saying 'Henry scum!' etc. etc.
 
Shamikebab said:
It shouldn't be like that, it's only like that because everyone just accepts that attitude. What happened to sportsmanship? honour? respect?
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I agree, I think that's how football should be!

It's not though, for the fans it's just about winning, let alone the players! They want to win things, and they'll do anything to win. It's a mentality, the winning one.

Linoge said:
He is, he's also a coward. He knows he did wrong but can't actually admit it without trying to deflect blame onto the officials. You are defending his actions last night. It doesn't make football so good, this is such a bull**** argument like 'we'd have no talking points after a game' if there were only right decisions made, what a load of rubbish.
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Oh I in part agree, He should have come out and said, "the ball hit my hand and I kept it in play, the officals didn't see it."

Things like this don't make football what it is, human error makes football what it is. These things haven't suddenly started happening, they've always happened, they've just happened to the Irish this time, who are upset about it.
 
manic111 said:
Either way, had Henry gone to the ref. last night and said that it wasn't a goal last night, people would be feeling a lot better towards him now, whether the ref. had allowed it or not.
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He did by all accounts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8367588.stm

I'm not defending Henry, I just think it's funny that people are reacting as if Henry was the first player to have ever cheated (Rightly or wrongly, and it happens in all Sports)
 
Greenlizard0 said:
He's right though, we do have that laughable bias towards English players.
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If this was an English player I myslef and I guess 99% of the population would be outraged, look at Beckham? How much stick did he get for getting the red card years ago? A LOT more than TH will get IMO, he got death threats!
 
Greenlizard0 said:
He's right though, we do have that laughable bias towards English players.
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I mean how many times has Carragher got away with extreme shirt pulling and tackling in the last few seasons? ....because it's not as obvious it is deemed as part of the game even though it is still cheating.

Every team, every nationality has their moments ....just so happens Henry chose his at a spectacular point in time.

I feel a bit for him tbh, a once phenomenal player in a team that were not long ago quite special under a tonne of pressure to perform and lets face it they are currently a pretty average international team .....olive branch was made available & grabbed with one hand :p If there is any consolation France will do nothing at the WC especially if Domenech is still in charge.
 
There has been so much chat about this player dives, or that player fouled, they all do it etc, that the main point has been ignored by most, and that is that it can and should be stopped.
The benefits of winning are so huge that winning at all costs is tops.

I just hope France lose in the roundrobbin stages of the world cup, via a similar piece of foul play, that will soon get a response from Mr M Plantin, who has been unsupprisingly quiet today
 
Nige01010 said:
If this was an English player I myslef and I guess 99% of the population would be outraged, look at Beckham? How much stick did he get for getting the red card years ago? A LOT more than TH will get IMO, he got death threats!
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English players are no better / worse then other international players.

They all want to win, and will do anything including cheating to win the game.

Sad state of affairs, yes. Will you complain if you're team wins something via cheating? nah, probably not. "He shouldn't of done it..."

Human error, Ref / Linesman didn't see the hand ball, which in turn created the goal, and Ireland lose.

Human error, Robbie Keane could have won the game in normal time.

Technology? nah, I'm sorry by the letter of the law it was a foul on Anelka in the box, had we used replays France "could" of scored from that. I'm against techonology anyway, but you can't have it just in favour of yourself.

Ireland were unlucky, nothing more nothing less. These things happen in football and will always happen in football.

France, while a good squad aren't playing well I don't expect them to do much in the World Cup under the current manager.
 
Nige01010 said:
If this was an English player I myslef and I guess 99% of the population would be outraged, look at Beckham? How much stick did he get for getting the red card years ago? A LOT more than TH will get IMO, he got death threats!
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Yes Beckham took a hammering for getting sent off and COSTING England a place in the next round. That is completely different from GAINING England a place in the next round through a handball.

I cant speak on your behalf or anyone else individually but the concept that the majority of people would be outraged if their own team/country benefitted from an Henry situation are absolutely talking rubbish
 
Few from my brother..

Diary of Theirry Henry said:
After the fuss of last night, I am looking for a quiet day today. Michel Platini iscoming over for a celebratory lunch, and I must stock up on provisions. I get in the car and reverse out of the drive.

CLUNK.

Zut! I have hit something. I get out to investigate. I see my next-door neighbour running towards me; instinct takes over. I hurl myself to the ground and start crying.

"Oh my God, oh my God...Tiddles! Tiddles!," shouts the woman. "You've run over my cat, you ********."

I walk round the back of the car. I shrug, in that charming and insouciant way that I have. Sure enough, there is a little cat there. He is as flat as Arsenal's play after my departure.

"Maybe I did run over your cat," I say. "But I am not a traffic light."

The woman is crying now. I put my finger to my lips, then shake it in her face, as if to say "no, no, no" - for I do not see why I should take responsibility for what I have done, just because I have done it.

Is it my fault that the cat is made of soft tissue and blood, rather than, for instance, reinforced steel or concrete? Of course not.

I did what anyone would do: I pressed my foot on the accelerator - this causes more oxygen to flow through the carburettor, and makes the car move. The cat did not see me, the cat bounced off my bumper and I drove on. I am not an RSPCA inspector.

Was it deliberate? It is not for me to say if something I have done is deliberate. I am reversing a car out of my drive, not an adult human being with free will.

I am considering apologising to the neighbour when Michel Platini pulls up in his Renault Clio.

"Nicole!" he shouts.

"Papa!" I say, which is a little joke we have and for which we get 150,000 Euros each per month for making occasionally on TV and whatnot. It is a short career and you never know when Gillette might get tired of you.

"This man just ran over my cat," says the neighbour.

"Have you got it on video?" asks Michel.

"Of course I haven't got it on video - are you mental?" says the woman.

"Never happened then, did it?" says Platini.

Just for safety's sake, he gets back in his car and reverses over the corpse of the cat.

"Thank God she doesn't have a video," he laughs. "Her cat is gone, and we are still here - and that's better for everyone worldwide. Vive La France!"
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18th November 2009, Thierry Henry breaks the world gang bang record as he 'single handedly' ***** the entire population of Ireland
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