Man of Honour
Over the top of the ball = dangerous play = red card.
There's no other way to view it. That's just what it is.
There's no other way to view it. That's just what it is.
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So every time there's a free-kick for a high foot that equals dangerous play and a red card?
Gerrard's slid in one footed, slightly high (it wasn't over the top of the ball either, he would have got the top of the ball had Kalou not clipped it away) but made no contact. It was a yellow and no more. The general opinion when Adebayor got a 2nd yellow for going in over the top of the ball was that it wasn't even a yellow.
You could also say that Lampard left the ground and was out of control = wreckless play = red card. I'd disagree with that too.
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Caporegime
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Ade didn't "go over" the ball at all thats why no one thought it was a red card. He was almost standing still, all his weight on the foot on the floor and he was lifting his foot and putting it down on the other side of the ball, even though his ackward clumsy self made it look a lot more wild than it was. he made no contact, he didn't come close to making contact, had there been contact it woudln't have come close to even hurting the player let alone injuring a player, there was no momentum, intent or danger at all.
Frankly its something that has been done hundreds of times every weekend, people go in to a loose ball and put themselves between the ball and the other player often looking to draw the foul, its never once been a yellow card before and normally gets a foul given FOR the player if they are touched/knocked barged after getting inbetween the ball and the other player.
Lampards was simply never a red card. if his foot was high, Alonso's was higher, if Lampard had momentum simply by moving, ALonso had more because he actually kicked his leg out as hard as possibly. Lampard got the ball, Alonso didn't, Lampard was kicked in the shin, ALonso had no contact made "on" him. Had alonso gone and kicked a wall, hurt his foot and went down, that wouldn't mean the wall fouled him.
You could argue that its Liverpool's players reactions getting people sent off. Alonso kicked Lampard goes down like he was shot, lampard goes, Kuyt kicks someone stupidly high nasty challenge(was it in the same game with the Skrtel/Jo incident thinking back?) pretends he was caught, rolls around, the other guy got sent off. Carragher was it with Adebayor, essentially zero contact, a light brush with an arm and he went down like he'd been stamped on, Ade got sent off.
Add that to the Skrtel flying kick/stamp/stud's in on Jo which didn't even concede a foul and might have been one of the most worthy of a long ban tackles commited this year and Liverpool are a bunch of cheating, fouling lucky gits. Even in a game Chelsea never really looked to be getting into and Liverpool were most likely to score in Gerrard still was trying his diving cheating crap as per usual. Really starting to hate Liverpool to be honest.
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Man of Honour
No, cos a high foot doesn't always equate to a high tackle, especiall.y not an over-the-ball high sliding tackle.
He wasn't out of control though. He got the ball and was then kicked by Alonso :/
Nothing Lampard did was reckless.
I think making the most out of tackles is a common occurance in the Premier League these days and whilst Liverpool are terrible for it, Arsenal nor Man Utd are any angels either, Fabregas being particularly bad and Man Utd having the worst player I've ever seen for it, Nani.
However, I was thinking last night, just how many players do get sent off against Liverpool? I can recall 3 this season without even really thinking about it (Man City, Wigan and Chelsea), have there been any more?
Gerrard done none of the above.
Vidic (correct decision), Cahil (although a straight red was harsh, he deserved to go for discent + the foul (plus he got away with a slap at Arbeloa earlier)) and Adebayor (Gilly thinks that should have been a straight red).
Lampard was the only 1 that was the wrong decision imo. And of the 6 reds, 5 have been fouls on Alonso. What's he done to **** so many people off?
Man of Honour
Where did I say an Adebayor challenge should have been a straight red? 
Man of Honour
I have no idea which challenge you're talking about, ergo have said nothing of the sort regarding it.
Soldato
And if Adebayor challenge was over the top of the ball Arsenal will win the treble this year.
Man of Honour
Show me the challenge and I'll tell you whether it was over the ball or not. It seems to not have been from what others have said.
Caporegime
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Theres making the most, and then cheating, Kuyt kicked someone, went down, ALonso kicked someone went down, Carragher didn't even seem to know which part of his body to hold when Adebayor, you know, stood near him.
AS for Fabregas being bad, questionable, I remember a couple incidents this year where he might have gone down a bit easily but not often, he doesn't dive, he's in no way a dirty player either.
I'm not sure how many are sent off against Liverpool either, but when all the sendings off are, basically cheating, its a bit of a joke. Not to mention the multitude of penalties 2 players in particular seem to win by diving, and one player in particular seems to get away with more fouling than anyone in the league, and another particular player should have conceded about 40 penalties in the past 2 years during the shoving and pulling from freekicks/corners where he mostly just throws people to the ground.
No, he really didn't, he stood, put his foot over the ball, and placed it down over the other side. He essentially, took a step and the ball happened to be between where his foot was, and where his foot went. it was never a foul in a million years, all players do it every weekend multiple times. Caragher just happened to throw himself to the floor at the same time and the ref was a moron.
hell, Lampards at least looked like it could have been a foul, though it wasn't, Ade's didn't look like a foul, it wasn't and it never will be called a foul again. Though you did us a favour, every game without Ade helps.
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I can't find a clip on youtube. I can post a link with the complete MOTD highlights but im pretty sure it's not allowed and i don't want to give you an excuse to suspend me 
Gooner may disagree but both Sky 'experts' said he deserved to be sent off (it was 2 yellows by the way (the right decision imo)) and so did Dermot Gallagher.
Gooner may disagree but both Sky 'experts' said he deserved to be sent off (it was 2 yellows by the way (the right decision imo)) and so did Dermot Gallagher.
Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Adebayor fouled Arbeloa not Carragher. And Arbeloa held his face as Adebayor also caught him with an arm in the face too.
And Kuyt's not been on the end of any tackle (or kicked somebody and gone to ground) resulting in a red card
Fabregas only did it once iirc, when he was relatively immature. He seems to be a lot more honest recently.