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Yeah I can see him leaving, O'shea is getting worse each game, he was absolutely horrible against Inter. I think he's probably the weakest link in the squad right now.
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Yeah I can see him leaving, O'shea is getting worse each game, he was absolutely horrible against Inter. I think he's probably the weakest link in the squad right now.
I can't see him being shipped out, he's the ultimate utility man and never complained, coupled with the facts he's every players best friend
. He's the real nice guy in the squad. I do see him slipping down the roster and possibly getting a few less games in future though as next year he will be behind Hargreaves, Fabio, Rafael, Neville, Evans and possibly Eckersley.
Calling one of the regulars here a creep and in the manner you have just highlights how ignorant you are. This chestnut comes along every once in a while, usually from someone with a chip on their shoulder. Football is global. Fans can be global. Football clubs are businesses and if they can employ footballers from around the world, why can't support be global? Are all the players in the team you support local? I suspect that the answer would be no.
I can understand the 'support local' to a point, but there are various reasons as to why it just doesn't work. We only live on this earth once, why spend it following a team just because they are local rather than following a team that is in your heart and you are passionate about.
that made me chuckle aloud in the office
I dont rate Gibson at all, he just does not cut it, you can tell he is never EVER going to make it as a United player, as for Welbeck, he needs his arse kicking hard.
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I think Gibson was average in the match, He wasn't the worst, but he was nowhere near the best. The whole team looked flat, and Gibson was just going through the gears, he is probably capable of much better, but he's still learning, and that game was another huge learning curve.
Welbeck was poor, and I personally don't see how he makes the bench in games ahead of Tevez, I think he along with Gibson will improve, and have to improve if they warrant a future at United.
Welbeck was the worst player on the pitch.
Welbeck was poor, and I personally don't see how he makes the bench in games ahead of Tevez, I think he along with Gibson will improve, and have to improve if they warrant a future at United.
Welbeck was the worst player on the pitch.
The annoying thing is, Gibson is 21, so he's not even a raw talented kid anymore. You could see at 18 that he didn't hold anything special, it's actually annoying that we've held onto him so long and arguably let more talented fringe players go.
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He's still a talented young player. I'd have liked to see Possebon play instead, I felt he has something about him. I just don't think he was that bad in the final. I think Gibson has a lot left to give. The Coaches / Manager at United see something in Gibson or he would have gone a long time ago. Look at Eagles, he didn't leave for bloody ages despite being a very average player.
I thought Welbeck was truly awful, and had a horrible game.
The difference is, Eagles could play, he could pass, cross, score, dribble and run and still wasn't good enough, Gibson can't even do that. Then we have to take into consideration that Eagles has possibly been the Player of the Tournament for the Carling Cup and will almost certainly be coming to the EPL next season for someone.
Surely thats more about how Evra has made the slot his own in the last couple of years (with Fabio hopefully challanging going forward) - more than how good OShea was to start with?
OShea is a reasonable squad player - and IF Platini's 6+5 rule comes in that will I would expect make sure of his transfer out (Being Republic of Ireland player, I cant see his international spot being "wasted" )
Awful going forward, and not that great a defender, but he is versatile which SAF seems to appreciate. Maybe IF /When Owen Hargreaves gets back to full fitness, he will be a similar player (of higher calibre)
Will be interesting to see how many more seasons Neville can go on for - every niggling injury/illness seems to knock hom down for extra-ordinary lengths of time
Think people are being very harsh on Gibson and Welbeck - yes Welbeck especially had a bad game, so what - I think nearly everyone had a bad game, but doesnt automatically make them bad players. I think both players deserve the rest of the season in the 1st team squad, and see how they go. Eagles looked just as bad (if not worse) than Richardson and thats saying something. Maybe it was the pressure of playing for Utd with every game being a big one, but whatever reason he couldnt handle it on a number of occasions.
Maybe it will be proven in games to come that Welbeck (who has scored some really decent goals this season already) and Gibson cant hack it, but its far too soon to get rid of them after yesterday.
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O'Shea was a storming left back, got forward, got crosses in, made decent choices, tackled hard, now he just looks lost.
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He's a good player, I think Burnley were brilliant in the Carling Cup, and he played very well, but I want to see him recreate that form week in week out.
Sheffield Wednesday opening day of the season and Eagles went missing, and he has done in a fair few other games. However I don't doubt he will probably leave Burnley for a lower / mid-table Premiership team.
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No, he's always looked fairly uneasy going forward.
He's normally fairly good going back, and can play almost anywhere along the back four, he's a good squad player.
He's looked really poor this season, so with the rising stars coming through, Samba Nevs, Evans et al will he last ? I can't see it.
Yep, it's amazing how people seem to forget this, O'Shea was superb at LB when he started, but he went the way of Phil Neville, you open yourself to being a utility man and you become a jack of all trades, master of none.
On the topic of Gibson, I don't know how people are defending him. Do you not watch the reserves?! He's awful then too. Whilst I agree with keeping Welbeck on being that he's just a nipper, Gibson is already older than Anderson for example, and keeping Gibson around, a player who is inferior to Anderson in every single way is only going to limit Andersons progression into being the worlds best player.
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Come in late on this.
Disappointed of course but compelling game which could have gone either way. I thought Spurs lack confidence in front of goal but dominated midfield but for Man U it was the other way round.
Disappointed of course but compelling game which could have gone either way. I thought Spurs lack confidence in front of goal but dominated midfield but for Man U it was the other way round.
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I'm defending him probably the same way Sir Alex would, he's young and still learning and has a lot left to give.
I agree with you in the sense I don't think Gibson will last, I don't think he's good enough, BUT I didn't think he was that bad the other day, he looked average, nothing more nothing less.
Welbeck was truly awful, but as he's "young" he gets let off.
Welbeck was shocking.
Welbeck is 17, Gibson is 21. Massive difference. Look how far Ronaldo came on in 4 years for example, of what Scholes was doing at 19, or even Fabregas now. They are all World Class, I would question whether Gibson would even start at a Championship side.
That's why Welbeck gets let off, but Gibson was worse than you seem to remember him. The commentators at one point laughed at something he did poorly, commented on his poor performance and the people in the studio were just as damning, even at half-time. I am struggling to think of one moment where Gibson did anything right last night, or even in his previous games in the competition.
That's why Welbeck gets let off, but Gibson was worse than you seem to remember him. The commentators at one point laughed at something he did poorly, commented on his poor performance and the people in the studio were just as damning, even at half-time. I am struggling to think of one moment where Gibson did anything right last night, or even in his previous games in the competition.