Weekend Football Thread **Spoilers**

It is not a moot point if refs don't stop the game every time somone falls over their bootlaces tho is it.

You can apply the flip side, bad tackles, professional fouls, taking ages over a throw in / kick means the ref needs to spend time to sort the game out.

Time is often added on for most stops.

I still don't understand why you are drawing parallels with Rugby.
 
You can apply the flip side, bad tackles, professional fouls, taking ages over a throw in / kick means the ref needs to spend time to sort the game out.

Time is often added on for most stops.

I still don't understand why you are drawing parallels with Rugby.

My parallel is, if a rugby league player can get hit full on by 2 or 3 men, get up and walk away, isn't somone like Evra a cheat or a coward.
 
I'd argue that Evra is playing the modern game.

Diving, regardless of your opinion, is part of the modern game.

If players didn't spend so much time making bad tackles, or professional fouls to slow the game down, or taking throw ins in 30 seconds, the game would be better.

If refs were "better" more consistent the game would be "better".

Football is what it is, if it was all perfect, we'd have nothing to debate, part and parcel of been a football fan is the wrong decisions, the pen's that never were and that diving scum getting another played booked or sent off.

Rugby players, are almost a different breed to footballers, the games require different styles of play, players, training. No a footballer might go down after one professional shoulder barge, but how many rugby players could dance through the England defence and score an amazing goal. I really don't get what you're getting at.
 
Diving is part of the modern game.

Live with it, every other football fan does.

Cheating in football, isn't just diving.

Get over it.

Bye Mr Troll.
 
Diving is part of the modern game.

Live with it, every other football fan does.

Cheating in football, isn't just diving.

Get over it.

Bye Mr Troll.

I do live with it, it don't mean i like it, and if i could change it i would.


I do not mind arguing the finer points with you, but it looks like you accuse people of trolling when your argument runs dry.

I suppose you can take solice in the fact you ain't the only one.
 
My argument hasn't run dry, which is why I'm going :)

I don't see how you can compared, two very different sports, Rugby is about physical prowess, of course the players are able to stand up after being tackled by 2 or 3 opposing players. That however is not how football works, and 2-3 players, who would weigh nearly twice what a football don't tackle you around the waist while you're running. One player, may clip you, just catch your leg gently but at the speed you're moving you'll be put off your stride and will fall over. Football, often isn't about crunching tackles, while they do help sometimes, football is more of an art, its about dancing with your feet around the opposing team, Rugby, has always struck me of been a more industrious game, were physical power plays a much larger role.

You comparing the gently footballer to a brutal rugby player, isn't too far from comparing a quick sports car, to a truck. The truck might be able to come off better in a crash, but won't be able to keep up with the sports car, or have the handling the sports car has. That's not to say rugby players are slow, nor unable to turn well :p

I think, it's very silly to compare the two sports.

Diving does happen, it's not something that these "foreigners" have brought over, diving has always happened in football. Blaming someone else for your own flaws is a very easy thing to do. Go watch the 1966 world cup final, players dive.

Diving is one way of cheating, or gaining an unfair advantage. There are many ways in football, or any sport of gaining an advantage, now these have helped teams to win games, and have back fired. I personally, feel the whole "time wasting" idea is a weak way of gaining a time advantage.

Now, just because a player seeks to gain an advantage, to help his side win the game, regardless of talent, he's helping the team, that pays his wages. You could even argue that players who cheat, are loyal or hungry, because they're willing to do anything to win the game, even putting their own reputation on the line as a sports man. Take Drogba for example, he's physical, fast, has good feet and is a world class "old fashioned" center forward, however he dives, not because he's a bad player, but because he's wasting time, or it's his will to win the game at any cost, even if he has to play dirty. Ronaldo, was a brilliant quick, nippy and technical winger, but he dived and play acted, because yes getting a player booked weakens the opposing team, because yes those free kicks him and Drogba win, have the chance to win the game, or get them back in to the game. I don't like seeing players dive, I agree it's cheating, but I do understand why they do it.

I don't want to stay here, arguing with such a silly person.

Goodnight / Good morning :)

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I do live with it, it don't mean i like it, and if i could change it i would.


I do not mind arguing the finer points with you, but it looks like you accuse people of trolling when your argument runs dry.

I suppose you can take solice in the fact you ain't the only one.

Comparing anything between rugby and football, other than they both use a ball, is somewhat retarded.

And, I hate to admit that I agree with a Pig, but I agree with Tummy.

Oh god, the blasphemy. :(
 
Rugby players are arguably twice the size of most football players and are expecting to get taken down by 2 or 3 other players the same size.

If you watch the incident again, evra is sprinting down the wing, looking at park (i think) for the through ball and ballack just blocks him straight off.

Evra is a very pacy player, so was going some speed, wasnt expecting to get blocked off like that and was hit in the face and chest by ballacks shoulder and elbow.

Id be VERY surprised if any player in the same circumstances would say it didnt hurt or hit the floor.
 
Who believes if Evra had made the same challenge on Ballack this thread wouldn't have lasted so long, seems like a strong contingent from Manchester.

His ban would have been longer though! And what's with this about him diving? He didn't dive, he got shoulder barged in the face (and for those moaning, saying it doesn't happen in rugby, that would also have been a foul in rugby and since it was also off-the-ball probably a sin-binning) and, for a split second, Ballsack had raised his elbow but fortunately dropped it at the last second.

Ww all know what the outcome from this will be, a four match ban for Evra and Ballack contemplating suing for emotional distress and a bruised shoulder.
 
His ban would have been longer though! And what's with this about him diving? He didn't dive, he got shoulder barged in the face (and for those moaning, saying it doesn't happen in rugby, that would also have been a foul in rugby and since it was also off-the-ball probably a sin-binning) and, for a split second, Ballsack had raised his elbow but fortunately dropped it at the last second.

Ww all know what the outcome from this will be, a four match ban for Evra and Ballack contemplating suing for emotional distress and a bruised shoulder.

What tosh!

Didn't take long to appear, its the everyone hates United card, including every referee, linesman, fourth official and the FA!

Get over it, the bitterness is consuming you.
 
What tosh!

Didn't take long to appear, its the everyone hates United card, including every referee, linesman, fourth official and the FA!

Get over it, the bitterness is consuming you.

I can't, it's like a drug. And in the bitterness stakes we are way behind other teams supporters, especially when we kerep winning trophies.;)
 
Ballack has admitted to intentionally blocking Evra - which therefore indicates a foul, which means game should have been stopped

ergo Utd won 2 - 1 (morally at least) :D

Not that it matters anyway - only 5 of the last 17 Charity Shield winners have gone onto win the EPL anyway (and only last year out of the last 9 I think the commentary said)

To be fair though - I think Man Utd deserved to lose after their criminal wasting of efforts in the 1st half right in front of goal (mainly Park I seem to recall)

In normal time I think the amount of decent chances for both teams roughly leveled out (Malouda and Essien I recall have pretty decent chances that where wasted and the Lampard free kick that was wasted)
 
Would it be that hard to just stamp there foot down and stop all this stupid falling over ?

i think ref's would get a hard time for the first season or so untill players stopped fully but it would make the game allot better, the ref's these days take decisions in the sense, Better safe than sorry attitude.
 
Would it be that hard to just stamp there foot down and stop all this stupid falling over ?

I wish this would happen.

I hate the falling over lark, always reminds me of that game where the brazil guy (was it Rivaldo?) pretended the ball had been kicked in his face and got the guy sent off for it. Even though the replays VERY clearly showed it didnt touch his face.

To be honest, I just detest all this going down clutching your face as if Tyson has just smacked you. I've watched the replay of the Evra/Ballack incident several times from several different angles now, and I am still of the belief that Ballack makes contact with the top of Evras chest...yet Evra goes down clutching his face.

From the replays I have watched it wasnt so much an elbow as a shove.

Heres one example replay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K9JSlsEqEc
As I say..I dont see any facial contact in that replay, yet Evras hands immediately grab his face as if to suggest he had been hit in the face.

As Tummy says...its part and parcel of the game (to be honest, I dont think I watch even 10 mins of football without seeing someone cheat. Whether its diving, sneaking extra yards at free kicks and throw ins, time wasting etc etc etc). I still hate it though. I could never be a referee...I would be useless at it because I would book someone everytime I saw them cheating, or if they swore at me/argued.
 
I do live with it, it don't mean i like it, and if i could change it i would.


I do not mind arguing the finer points with you, but it looks like you accuse people of trolling when your argument runs dry.

I suppose you can take solice in the fact you ain't the only one.

Wouldn't bother arguing the point, im one of what seems very few who completely agree with you, but i've got to admit footballers in the lower leagues seem like much more honest players (not all of them obviously but a lot more of them) and it just shows what it takes to get into the higher tier of football: play like a ****

I may come accross as a trying to bigup the lower leagues as im a leeds united supporter but before leeds went down i knew nothing about the lower leagues, and i have to admit watching it it always seems like a completely different game when it comes to tackling (luciano becchio is a bit of a drogba fan though from the looks of things)
 
Until they introduce retrospective punishment for diving it will continue.

Totally agree with this. While it doesn't change the outcome of the match they were just in, it could result in a suspension for the next game if they hit the cards limit.

Rules would have to be made for lots of eventualities though, for example if a player dived 3 times would they then get three yellows?
 
I wish this would happen.

I hate the falling over lark, always reminds me of that game where the brazil guy (was it Rivaldo?) pretended the ball had been kicked in his face and got the guy sent off for it. Even though the replays VERY clearly showed it didnt touch his face.

To be honest, I just detest all this going down clutching your face as if Tyson has just smacked you. I've watched the replay of the Evra/Ballack incident several times from several different angles now, and I am still of the belief that Ballack makes contact with the top of Evras chest...yet Evra goes down clutching his face.

From the replays I have watched it wasnt so much an elbow as a shove.

Heres one example replay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K9JSlsEqEc
As I say..I dont see any facial contact in that replay, yet Evras hands immediately grab his face as if to suggest he had been hit in the face.

As Tummy says...its part and parcel of the game (to be honest, I dont think I watch even 10 mins of football without seeing someone cheat. Whether its diving, sneaking extra yards at free kicks and throw ins, time wasting etc etc etc). I still hate it though. I could never be a referee...I would be useless at it because I would book someone everytime I saw them cheating, or if they swore at me/argued.

but we all know the reason for this - it's much more dramatical and there's more chance of getting someone sent off.

The Rivaldo incident was ridiculous. I think the best thing that could have happened was a live interview after the game with all the questions being about why he went down holding his face :D
 
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