Weekend Football Thread **Spoilers**

Loki said:
You talk some utter utter testicles at times Gustov. Even the most died in the wool Chelsea fan could see his Elbow hit im in the face and with intent.
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Loki said:
Your just being ridiculous now !!! If anything it's the other way around. It's only been in the last 12-18 months that this supposed world class left back in Cole has actually found out how to defend in any way shape or form. Positionally he was and is awful. His pace makes up for the mess he creates. Ashley Cole is so good that Chelsea have bought another Left Back :rolleyes:

As for your previous childish post of yadda yadda yadda don't think so!!! I have watched the video and I agree that Evra was not elbowed in the face. What facts remain is that German Twit did elbow him in the chest and he obstructed him. In the cold light of day, the ref actually got the decision spot on. Evra was fouled but Utd had the advantage and didn't capitalise on it. Regardless of that, Ballack should have been booked at the very least
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So what have you proved? I was right but I'm the one talking 'testicles' and being 'ridiculous' Riiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

He goes down after being hit in the chest, holds his face and you expect me to care that the incident cost you a goal? I've already admitted it was a blatant foul but the way Evra reacted just makes me laugh at the outcome of the counter attack.

Have you not seen Ashley Cole every time he's been put up against Ronaldo? How about vs Messi this year? He caused you more damage over 90 mins than he did to us in 180. As for Zhirkov, he is naturally a left winger but can play left back. Do you really think we'd pay £18m for a left back when we have Ashley Cole?

A.Cole has hardly done anything in the final third for the last two years and has been exceptional defensively. Sure you haven't just been watching his England appearances?
 
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Gustov said:
Well I believe Cole, Terry, Carvalho, Boswinga to be the best back 4 in the world.

Cole, Carvalho, Lampard (don't even think about it Tummy), Essisen to name a few.
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:p *will not mention Lampard*

I think Cole is a World Class left back, it pains me to say it because I think he's a ****.

Chelsea, like Manchester United, have a core group of world class players.
 
skippi90 said:
Why?
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oooo selective quoting Skip ;)

I'd say fouls should stop the game, the rules do as well. If it's a "meh" foul, in which case advantage should be given if the side who were fouled retain the ball in a good position. For example still on the attack.

In which case, when play next stops, the player who fouled the player should be booked.

Unless it appears to be a head injury, in which case, play should be stopped to make sure, which is normally indicated by a player holding his head.

I think it was a foul on Evra, I'm not bothered about it, I also think Rooney was offside. Swings and round abouts.
 
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moremoney said:
In the earlier incident, Chelsea lost possession of the ball when, in the opinion of the ref, Ballack was fouled, ergo, free kick to Chelsea.
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Watch the game again and you'll see in that incident there was a good 5 seconds before the ref blew so no he didn't blow because Chelsea didn't have an advantage (as the ball was going for a throw anyway) he blew because Ballack stayed down ergo he did it then for Ballack so should have done it for Evra
 
JohnnyG said:
He wasn't winded, no-one holds their face when winded.
Do you honestly think a smack in the face from an elbow which is seemingly bad enough to keep you on the floor for more than 3 minutes can clear up without any marks, blood or concussion instantly?:confused:
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I think it's a natural reaction to hold one's face when in pain actually

As for the second part of your argument if it was Ballacks shoulder that hit Evra's face then yes I do believe he could get up without any marks, blood or concussion - if it was just a knock

Generally players who feign injury are those who want the game stopped because their team is in trouble, why would Evra do this when we had the ball when he was taken out? Regardless of why you think Evra was holding his face he didn't dive and he wasn't staying down to get the game stopped - he was hurt/injured because he was taken out.
 
Tummy said:
It was a foul.

Foul's should stop the game.

The ref played advantage, which is interesting, because a good majority of the time any injury that looks like a head injury is stopped very quickly.
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Go back and read my initial post. I clearly said that whether Foy made the right decision to not give a free-kick and or whether he played an advantage is another matter.

Foy had a clear view of the incident and from the replays it seems pretty clear that it wasn't a head injury so once the free-kick wasn't given, there was no need to stop the game.
 
I'd beg to differ about it being that clear about it not been a head injury, it happened very quickly.

I saw the body check, not the raised arm first and just thought "free kick" United still had possession though so I didn't see it as a problem, he did however hold his face. In which the majority of refs stop the game, just to be sure.
 
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Tom84 said:
Watch the game again and you'll see in that incident there was a good 5 seconds before the ref blew so no he didn't blow because Chelsea didn't have an advantage (as the ball was going for a throw anyway) he blew because Ballack stayed down ergo he did it then for Ballack so should have done it for Evra
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No, he waited for a couple or 3 seconds, waiting for an advantage to accrue, it didn't so he blew.

5 seconds i think not.

It is sad to see man u supporters trying to blame a loss on anything but the other team.
Man U are never beaten by a better team, they lose to the bad ref, or the cheating opponents, or even the wrong colour shirts.
 
Tom84 said:
No he's not.



They weren't last season. Not even the best in the league
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Maybe because Carvalho was injured for the majority? As was terry for quite a while. Had to play with Ivanovic RB and Essien CB a couple of games.

Even so we still conceded as few as 24, the lowest in the league joint with United. Yes i know you also had defensive injuries with Vidic but no where near the likes of Carvalho and taking into account I was refering to the best back 4 in the world, It shouldn't be relevant anyway.

Tom84 said:
No he's not.
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Yes he is. I love justifying my opinions.
 
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Tummy said:
I saw the body check, not the raised arm first and just thought "free kick" United still had possession though so I didn't see it as a problem, he did however did hold his face. In which the majority of refs stop the game, just to be sure.
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Only if they are fooled by play acting. Which todays ref obviously was not.
 
There's also an argument to be had that a head injury could always occur on landing that's why IMO this only stop the game in case of a head injury is nonsense

If a player is down then the game should be stopped, Nani's didn't look a bad one and I'll be honest I thought he may have been play acting a little but as it turns out the lad has a dislocated shoulder. If a player ends up getting a reputation like Drogba for faking injury that's when referee's are excused for not always taking their word for it so to speak but otherwise especially when it's clear to see that it was a foul the ref should have blew
 
Tom84 said:
There's also an argument to be had that a head injury could always occur on landing that's why IMO this only stop the game in case of a head injury is nonsense

If a player is down then the game should be stopped, Nani's didn't look a bad one and I'll be honest I thought he may have been play acting a little but as it turns out the lad has a dislocated shoulder. If a player ends up getting a reputation like Drogba for faking injury that's when referee's are excused for not always taking their word for it so to speak but otherwise especially when it's clear to see that it was a foul the ref should have blew
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Anything other than a head injury, what damage is it going to do having them on the ground that little bit longer?
 
Tom84 said:
There's also an argument to be had that a head injury could always occur on landing that's why IMO this only stop the game in case of a head injury is nonsense
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Maybe a fly came down and bit him on the head?

Or maybe.......

Any more potential possibilities of why he was holding his head?

:o
 
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Tom84 said:
If a player is down then the game should be stopped, Nani's didn't look a bad one and I'll be honest I thought he may have been play acting a little but as it turns out the lad has a dislocated shoulder. If a player ends up getting a reputation like Drogba for faking injury that's when referee's are excused for not always taking their word for it so to speak but otherwise especially when it's clear to see that it was a foul the ref should have blew
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You can't have it both ways. You either stop the game when a player is down (which you now seem to advocate) or you don't.

If this is how you want it, a players reputation for diving cannot, and must not, be a consideration.
 
Tummy said:
I'd beg to differ about it being that clear about it not been a head injury, it happened very quickly.

I saw the body check, not the raised arm first and just thought "free kick" United still had possession though so I didn't see it as a problem, he did however did hold his face. In which the majority of refs stop the game, just to be sure.
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Foy had a clear view of the incident and decided that there was no need to stop the game, that's the decision he had to make and imo he got it spot on. Evra soon got up and there was nothing wrong with him, equally the fact that Evra went down holding his face when it certainly (based on the replays i've seen) didn't appear like there was contact with his face shows that the change of rule has been good for the game too.
 
moremoney said:
No, he waited for a couple or 3 seconds, waiting for an advantage to accrue, it didn't so he blew.

5 seconds i think not.

It is sad to see man u supporters trying to blame a loss on anything but the other team.
Man U are never beaten by a better team, they lose to the bad ref, or the cheating opponents, or even the wrong colour shirts.
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I've just re watched the game and it's clear for all to see that the ref blew because Ballack stayed down. There was never any Chelsea advantage to be had

We didn't lose we drew 2-2. Had we not got the second goal then yeah we had every right to feel cheated by the ref. The ref blew when Nani stayed down, he blew when Ballack stayed down he didn't when Evra did why? Inconsistency and poor refereeing.
 
moremoney said:
Only if they are fooled by play acting. Which todays ref obviously was not.
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*sigh it was a proffesional foul, deal with it, the Ref didn't give it as United still had the ball and gave advantage, I feel it was a foul* United didn't get this.

Rooney was offside, Chelsea didn't get that.

Swings and round abouts. As I've said.
 
Tummy said:
*sigh it was a proffesional foul, deal with it, the Ref didn't give it as United still had the ball and gave advantage, I feel it was a foul* United didn't get this.

Rooney was offside, Chelsea didn't get that.

Swings and round abouts. As I've said.
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I'm willing to agree with that.

Any Chelsea fan who says the incident with Evra wasn't a foul is talking out of their ass

It's the way Evra reacted that is up for debate.

Gotta say though, Rooney took his goal very well regardless of it being offside.
 
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