Wengers time up?

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drunkenmaster said:
This has been my deal for the past 5 years, at least.
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It was 10 years before, why is it suddenly 5?

Clipsey said:
Pretty much this. I'd rather the chance of winning or coming 6-7th
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How does that even work? It's one or the other. Your aren't going to go from 2nd to 7th within a few weeks. It actually makes no sense whatsoever that arugment. You can't be at a level which is within touching distance of winning stuff, which we are atm and be around 7th. They are not linked at all.
The gamble thing i understand, sort of. At the moment we have a situation where the team is constantly very close to winning a lot, if we could just get a few seasons of spending top top money on world class players then it could be good. There needs to be push from the board though as well, it's not Wengers fault because the next manager won't get more money either.
 
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Trusty said:
It was 10 years before, why is it suddenly 5?



How does that even work?
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I meant in terms of taking a gamble. It has clearly been shown that Wenger will not do this, so we will never win the league again under Wenger, or it would have happened already.
If we get another manager in, we have a better chance of winning the league OR falling out of the top 4 (current teams have clearly shown this happening lately) Man Utd, Chelsea, B Dortmund, Liverpool etc
I personally would rather take that risk. Other fans may not (which I understand)
I also think Wenger has a lot of control over the finances and transfers, he's too stubborn on certain things (Diaby for god knows how long?). The trouble is, we've always been 'a couple players short' of winning the league....so how is that going to change with Wenger at the helm?
 
It's not going to change with someone else either. To be realistically winning the champions league we would need a 2 more world class players, but they don't come cheap. Do you think Kroenke is willing to splash out on those negligible gains? I don't think so personally, nothing will change unless there is a shift from above Wenger. If Wenger were to leave this year and someone else brought in, if the new guy didn't get top 4 for like 4 or 5 years, would you be alright with that? No european football for 4 years? Im generally curious.
 
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Trusty said:
It was 10 years before, why is it suddenly 5?
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Sorry but which part of the post relates to going from 10 to 5 previously? How is it suddenly 5, where did I say we haven't been the same for the past decade or so and where in that last post did I saw we were great till 5 years ago? Have I previously stated I wanted him fired at the start of the 06/07 season?

I literally directly explained what I meant after saying 5 years at least.

A decade is how long we've played like this, the first 3-4 years is the time I was willing to give him to turn it around, after that point I wanted him gone, that period has been at least 5 years. Is that really that hard to understand considering I literally explained it in the post quoted?
 
Trusty said:
It's not going to change with someone else either.
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I think with a new manager who can pick out the right players and get the tactics spot on and getting more out of each player (and getting rid of the ones who are not cutting it). These could ALL realistically happen.
Don't get me wrong, I would also worry that we could also go the other direction, which would be almost tougher to get out of. Even a giant club like Man Utd has shown that, throwing money at something isn't always the answer.

If we have Wenger next season, it's not the end of the world, I'd rather them be patient and get the right person in.

And of course, no I would not like no Euro footie for a 4-5 years. However, if it takes a season or two to re-build for the long term, I'd be ok with that.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Sorry but which part of the post relates to going from 10 to 5 previously? How is it suddenly 5, where did I say we haven't been the same for the past decade or so and where in that last post did I saw we were great till 5 years ago? Have I previously stated I wanted him fired at the start of the 06/07 season?

I literally directly explained what I meant after saying 5 years at least.

A decade is how long we've played like this, the first 3-4 years is the time I was willing to give him to turn it around, after that point I wanted him gone, that period has been at least 5 years. Is that really that hard to understand considering I literally explained it in the post quoted?
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Nah mate. I don't buy it for second.

So Arsenal did the season unbeaten, the first team bar Man U to win the PL, got to the final of the champions league, the next season we finish 4th, out at the last 16. Next season, finished 3rd and got to the quarter finals of the CL. Next season finished 4th and got to the semi finals of the CL, That was the last straw was it?

PL -- 1st/4th/3rd/4th
Europe -- Final/16/QF/SF

Fired?

Clipsey said:
I think with a new manager who can pick out the right players and get the tactics spot on and getting more out of each player (and getting rid of the ones who are not cutting it). These could ALL realistically happen.
Don't get me wrong, I would also worry that we could also go the other direction, which would be almost tougher to get out of. Even a giant club like Man Utd has shown that, throwing money at something isn't always the answer.

If we have Wenger next season, it's not the end of the world, I'd rather them be patient and get the right person in.

And of course, no I would not like no Euro footie for a 4-5 years. However, if it takes a season or two to re-build for the long term, I'd be ok with that.
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You just have to look at people on here though that doubted Ozil and Sanchez as signings, look how they've turned out. We got both of them for the price of a Martial. Wenger knows what players are worth, that's why we dont ***** money up the wall compared to UTD, Chelsea, City, etc..

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...ague-tables/premier-league-table-2003-to-date

If we could get more attention on Kroenke to give Wenger 150m on 2/3 players then we would be golden. But we wont get that, City last year spent 100m on Stirling and De Bruyne, we just don't have the monetary power to compete in the PL, CL, FA and league cup. Not realistically anyway, it's not like we're way off either. I definitely think Kroenke needs to do more to bring world class players to the Emirates, that's if they want to win the CL.
 
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Don't get me wrong Trusty, I know what you're saying and he has made some great signings. However, on the flip side he is also too stubborn for his own good. Everyone knew we needed another defensive midfielder (for years essentially), never buys one and stuck with Arteta, Wilshire etc fully knowing they can't go more than a few games with out being side lined. He sticks with the average player way too long, or can't get the best out of them.....like he used to be able to.
You certainly don't have to be the biggest spender to win things, and I don't want them to be splashing cash left and right on wasted players. However, if something doesn't work, then simply move on quickly.
 
Not an Arsenal supporter but I guess the question is - what will be better than Wenger. In the short term continuity might be an advantage as Klopp, Conte and Guardiola get established. There also looks a chance that United will change too. This flux might be a chance for Wenger to have one last go with the current squad. Its not a bad squad and a couple of good signings might really give them the strength required to sustain a challenge.

Who else is a candidate for the job?
 
Theres plenty of choice out there i think, its just nailing down someone who has a similiar philosophy. Deschamps has done well since going into managment. From one frenchie to another. I wouldnt want someone like Simeone. Ronald Koeman or Deschamps would be my choice atm
 
Calpol said:
Its not a bad squad and a couple of good signings might really give them the strength required to sustain a challenge.
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Sound familiar? It's what is said every year for the last 4 / 5 years. The problem is, those signing never materialise despite every man and his dog being able to see our weaknesses.
 
What are we achieving under Wenger? Constant Champion's League is fair enough but it's also pointless as we don't have the skills to win it. It also brings in money that we don't seem to spend apart from randomly on players on deadline day.
I just can't why nobody at Arsenal can see what the rest of the world can see and that's that we need a few more decent players with experience and to get rid of dead wood like Walcot!
 
Wenger will chose his successor in much the same way Fergie did. I'm expecting Bould to take over, which could be brilliantly hilarious for me as a Spurs fan. I can understand wanting Wenger out, but can't see a better option.
 
Jano said:
Wenger will chose his successor in much the same way Fergie did. I'm expecting Bould to take over, which could be brilliantly hilarious for me as a Spurs fan. I can understand wanting Wenger out, but can't see a better option.
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No he won't, he has said that he won't be involved in choosing his successor and good, ex managers should have no say in who should take after them. We have all see ln the fallout with Utd and Fergie choosing Moyes.

Neither will Bould be the next manager, if that was to happen I'd rather us keep the old senile Frenchman.

What we need is a manager who can kick on from what Wenger has done for us, a bright young talented squad that just needs a new direction, which isn't happening under Wenger.

The million dollar question is who?? We should have went all out for Pep at the very least.
 
Nope, one of his last European games for us was to drive to Italy for a Champs League game, was an unused sub or got about 5 minutes if I remember correctly.
 
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