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Zuban said:
I've driven plenty diesels in anger and thats not a great comparison at all, as i said i doubt they would put one in a dc2 as an alternative to a vtec somehow, i was thinking more along the lines of a slightly larger petrol engine.
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You generally have a heavier engine though, not ideal for a car pointyness. But then comparing a recent 2.0 to a 15year old 1.8 will probably favour the 2.0. The fact they are similar says lots about the B18C6.
 
[TW]Fox;12785493 said:
The DC2 is MILES better than an EP3. The EP3 is a chav-chariot, like most warm hatchbacks, whereas the DC2 is a proper, hardcore enthusiasts driving machine.
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Oh thanks for the sweeping generalisation Mr 40 something businessman.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
You generally have a heavier engine though, not ideal for a car pointyness. But then comparing a recent 2.0 to a 15year old 1.8 will probably favour the 2.0. The fact they are similar says lots about the B18C6.
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generally yes but then a B series can provide more displacement with little difference in weight, so thats not a given. The engine in question was a 3s-ge with vvti, released in 97 so yes a couple years after, but vvti has been around since 95 in the toyota. Such engines get little notice because of the chassis they were put in.

Now i'm not trying to poo-poo the b18 its an amazing engine and vtec ultimatly gets the best from its displacment i just think they could have acheived a similar result through other methods.
 
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Oh right I was thinking Clio 197.

So your car has its own variable valve timing aswell? And suprisingly more torque from its 200cc larger engine?

Im failing to see your point here. The irony is that if you bore a B18 up to 2.0 you generally get more of an improvement than the displacement would suggest as the ports are marginally oversized from the factory.
 
Zuban said:
generally yes but then a B series can provide more displacement with little difference in weight, so thats not a given. The engine in question was a 3s-ge with vvti, released in 97 so yes a couple years after, but vvti has been around since 95 in the toyota. Such engines get little notice because of the chassis they were put in.
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Didnt realise they put the BEAMS engine in the Celica?
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Oh right I was thinking Clio 197.

So your car has its own variable valve timing aswell? And suprisingly more torque from its 200cc larger engine?

Im failing to see your point here. The irony is that if you bore a B18 up to 2.0 you generally get more of an improvement than the displacement would suggest as the ports are marginally oversized from the factory.
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most people dont get me :(

i didnt really have a point i just suggested that they could have acheived a similar power level and overall experience without using vtec to be told that no you cant have an engine with a broad powerband and linear power delivery without vtec, which you can.
 
Zuban said:
i didnt really have a point i just suggested that they could have acheived a similar power level and overall experience without using vtec to be told that no you cant have an engine with a broad powerband and linear power delivery without vtec, which you can.
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But you are using an engine which has variable valve timing to prove your point, doesnt that kind of undermine what you are trying to say?
 
Zuban said:
most people dont get me :(

i didnt really have a point i just suggested that they could have acheived a similar power level and overall experience without using vtec to be told that no you cant have an engine with a broad powerband and linear power delivery without vtec, which you can.
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maybe, but a vtec will be broader and more linear. Ultimately a single cam profile is a compromise.
 
Marf said:
But you are using an engine which has variable valve timing to prove your point, doesnt that kind of undermine what you are trying to say?
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no, its just another way of acheiveing a similar result, my point entirely. You could forget vvti and use more displacement if you wanted.
 
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