Happens on both sides. Will never change.
It should be fun and banter, issue is people start getting hurt and defencive about companies worth billions/trillions. Wtf like..
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What do gamers actually think about Ray-Tracing?
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Happens on both sides. Will never change.
It should be fun and banter, issue is people start getting hurt and defencive about companies worth billions/trillions. Wtf like..
Soldato
Happens on both sides. Will never change.
It should be fun and banter, issue is people start getting hurt and defencive about companies worth billions/trillions. Wtf like..
This right here, I have never understood that. Companies do not care about anyone on this or any other forum, They only want the contents of peoples bank accounts.
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Nothing wrong with that, it's the hypocrisy that goes with it where people say they don't see a big enough difference or/and they prefer more FPS yet "some" of those same people refuse to use upscaling, frame gen etc. which can and does improve performance substantially whilst as evidenced has little to no impact to IQ (yet they somehow can't see big enough visual improvements with RT.....) etc. We even had people saying "FPS is king" yet they still won't acknowledge that upscaling is probably the best way to gain FPS without sacrificing IQ. I suspect when amd truly catch up or/and excel past nvidia, we will see a big change in mindset towards this....
Not really the point either, the issue was when we had people referencing to old games or/and any random indie game on steam to try and insinuate that there were little to no RT games. Of course the triple a market isn't the be all but at the time, people were just ignoring the current/present state and the future titles coming out i.e. same way people are still somewhat stuck in the past of the raster glory days.
Based on my own testing, you absolutely do not have to pixel peep, slow down footage, zoom in nor do static screenshots to notice the distracting issues of FSR during gameplay (and this is based on a variety of high end displays i.e. 55" 4k woled, 34" 1440 qd oled and now 32" 4k qd oled)
Soldato
What we really need... is more cowbell !
Soldato
Desperately demanding validation because all things in Nv's RTX locker is better than anything, you must agree and use it above all else or you are a hater, it's embarrassing to the point I've been hardly posting anymore.
Native on max textures available whenever I can=79XTX for 4K 65" screen QD-Oled, the 4080's 16Gb cost ~+£225 for less texture output(which makes me laugh whenever I hear Nv users shout "AMD should be much cheaper", that according to some, I MUST enable DLSS as it's 'better than native' because they demand I validate what they believe to be true, whereas I don't give a **** what they believe, but I don't give them pushback, I'll play it my way-and thanks for not respecting my opinion.
It's no coincidence the most vocal Ampere users 100% need DLSS because anything under a 3090 it's a requirement, and that goes for anything under a 70tiS too, DLSS is a requirement due to the lowball vram allocation Nv keep demanding on their expensive gpu's that forced me to go back to AMD for the first time in ~11 years.
Zero stuttering since it replaced the 3080 which couldn't cope with the driver overhead swapping vram, the 3070 was even worse!
And if you don't like what I wrote, tough, that's a you thing.:thumbsup:
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@mrk damn you and every other technical expert that posts evidence to back up your posts/claims!!! *shakes fist*
On the topic again of RT, pc gamer have hit the nail on the head, a future I and a few others predicted long ago:
www.pcgamer.com
More and more games aren't providing an off option, more and more games not only look better with ray reconstruction, dlss etc. now but also perform significantly better too. Personally at this point, I think if it weren't for wanting to stay on pc and experience RT and the other benefits it brings, I would sooner return to console gaming as unless amds massive investment in software works out, it is very much a one horse race now. I mean the fact that a 4 year old £650 gpu is matching/beating AMDs current gen £700 (and at the time of release, £900+) RT perf in games is just utterly embarrasing imo, of course, you can turn off RT and reap the benefits of ancient raster, well until you can't turn it off.....
On the topic again of RT, pc gamer have hit the nail on the head, a future I and a few others predicted long ago:
With Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, Black Myth: Wukong, and Star Wars Outlaws, ray tracing in games is slowly becoming an Nvidia-exclusive
Ray tracing is old news, full ray tracing is where it's at now. Just don't call it path tracing, okay?
More and more games aren't providing an off option, more and more games not only look better with ray reconstruction, dlss etc. now but also perform significantly better too. Personally at this point, I think if it weren't for wanting to stay on pc and experience RT and the other benefits it brings, I would sooner return to console gaming as unless amds massive investment in software works out, it is very much a one horse race now. I mean the fact that a 4 year old £650 gpu is matching/beating AMDs current gen £700 (and at the time of release, £900+) RT perf in games is just utterly embarrasing imo, of course, you can turn off RT and reap the benefits of ancient raster, well until you can't turn it off.....
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Wow, What a load of self righteous drivel.
Pot meet kettle. You, Gpueurilla and ICDP are just as bad. You guys are front and centre in the GPU tribalism crap that Dicehunter was talking about.
Soldato
Yep and that's not a good thing, This leads to a monopoly which slowly sees prices going up and up and up. Unless Nvidia suddenly hit some type of massive roadblock that sets them back years then AMD and Intel will never be able to catch up which will see their market share shrink even more. No one should want that.
Honestly GPU tribalism is getting worse and worse regardless of forum/website, I wouldn't mind if they were something along the lines of "Yeah well my cure for cancer is cheaper so more people can have it...." but... they are friggin video cards used to draw images on a screen
Yup it really is a concern and the problem is people say it's because nvidia have too strong of a mindshare and all that BS..... yes, like any brand in any industry, of course they will have people who will always buy them regardless.... but at the end of the day, the simple fact is that nvidia generally have better products "overall" and most importantly better in the things that matter to people in order to keep that marketshare they have..... they simply make better products "overall", it's fact and anything else is just clutching at straws, people need to stop the positive negative reinforcement of amds methods and the way they work as it is doing no one any favours, hub etc. are thankfully calling amd out now on things which is forcing amd to act, heck amd themselves have even said they are way behind nvidia now hence why they are investing millions into their software now! Thankfully even some of the loyal fans over on amd reddit are also posting concern around amds future in RT because of all the RT goodness happening.
Soldato
The issue is not that they make good products, I don't think anyone can say otherwise. The issue is how they got there in the ability to now spend billions on R&D every year... paying various computer companies like Dell, IBM, Lenovo, Asus etc... to not have AMD GPU's in their systems and laptops which is now well documented, Various anti competitive shady practices is in part how they grew their marketshare with various professionals in the industry now speaking up against them, It's why the US courts just issued a subpoena against Nvidia for a laundry list of shady practices.
AMD have a LOT of shortfalls that unless they do a 360 will lead to them dropping out of the GPU business, I don't defend any company as that's the sign of someone not worth listening to but many on this forum, And many others, Like to brush Nvidia's very shady road to success under the carpet and then base their entire online persona around a company that couldn't give a rats rear end if they live or die.
Yup they are incredibly dodgy and I really do wish there were more options to choose from but sadly when only one vendor provides you an option, your only other option is to give up and call it quits. If I and others took this approach of not supporting a company because they have dodgy practices, most of us wouldn't own any products.....
I do wonder how many of these companies create fake claims and so on just to try and cause issues for other companies especially when/if they can't compete through simply delivering a better product. It's like the time amd game chief of engineering banged on about how more companies should abandon nvidia tech because it's closed source and amd provide an open source solution, like really...... you can't produce a better solution in quality and implementation wise so you expect companies to support the lesser option....
Right now, amds best option is to focus on the <£500 market in the pc space as they simply can't and won't compete in the top end tiers.
Soldato
Yep, I know RDNA4 is the low and mid range only but hopefully with RDNA5 they return to the high end with really good RT performance so we have proper competition in the marketplace.
With my 7900XTX I can max Outlaws out with all the RT bells and whistles, Except RTXDI, And get a solid 60+FPS with FSR set to quality at 3440x1440, Which is decent... but it should be a lot better especially when looking at the competitor.
Man of Honour
Outlaws should not be used as a performance comparison right now because its GFX settings and memory usage are broken, Ubisoft have even acknowledged this. Patch 1.1 is not out yet so we have to wait for that before making performance comparisons.
At the moment the only means of performance in Outlaws is through brute force, and even that brings a 4090 to 37fps in the instances of VRAM saturation when outdoors due to the technical issues it has.
At the moment the only means of performance in Outlaws is through brute force, and even that brings a 4090 to 37fps in the instances of VRAM saturation when outdoors due to the technical issues it has.
I think AMD need to be realistic. If they don’t price the 8800 XT at £550 max for the rumoured performance, then that will be them done I think.
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This is my favourite comment in this entire thread.
Soldato
its like AA was when it was new
its something you only turn on when you have enough GPU performance to cope with it
I dont think its worth it until its just another setting you turn on / fiddle with along with shadows and aa and everything else
its something you only turn on when you have enough GPU performance to cope with it
I dont think its worth it until its just another setting you turn on / fiddle with along with shadows and aa and everything else
Soldato
Agreed, They cannot afford to just price a little under Nvidia this time around especially as they are apparently only going to do mid range at the highest.
IMO £550 for 7900XT-like performance is ok but the lower they can get the better or people will just swing over to Nvidia.
Soldato
The 7900XTX is simillar in RT to a 3090. Yes I know the Ada cards are ahead of it, but is the 3090 seen as a BAD RT card now?
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