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What do gamers actually think about Ray-Tracing?

AMD announced it has started working on an AI feature similar to DLSS Ray Reconstruction to do AI denoising with Ray Tracing

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AMD Begins Working On Its Own Neural Supersampling & Denoising Techniques For RDNA-Based GPUs, Competitor To DLSS Ray Reconstruction

AMD's upcoming FSR package could solve the noise issue on path-traced frames with proprietary neural supersampling & denoising techniques.
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Unfortunately AMD is two years behind Nvidia as Ray Reconstruction launch nearly two years ago
 
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gpuerrilla said:
I think he mentions it earlier in this thread:



If you own a 4080 you can probably get away with it now, generally seems to be the ones that are on these being on the positive side of the discussions.
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As shown in that hub vid, (outwith 3 games) most game comparisons still need labelled to show what's running raster/RT'ing, and that's requiring a £1500+ GPU to showcase.
THe point I was making is, Imo RT'ing isn't any where near film grade realtime quality like Nasher pointed out.
 
humbug said:
AMD64 is the proper name for it, AMD agreed to Microsoft and Intel calling it X86_64, some might say so that Intel could save face.

Go to C:\Windows\WinSxS

My Intel Laptop. Windows is an AMD architecture, so is Linux, who call it by its proper name, when you download Ubuntu its labelled AMD64. i386 is no longer available, its dead. Obsolete.

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I wonder how many Nvidia fans looked in there and decided to delete all that AMD stuff :D
 
Thought the new HU video on RT and the FPS cost of it was quite interesting.

I understand why they compared best of AMD Vs best of Nvidia.

But it seems a little strange to compare a card Vs something that costs double.
 
Grim5 said:
AMD announced it has started working on an AI feature similar to DLSS Ray Reconstruction to do AI denoising with Ray Tracing

wccftech.com

AMD Begins Working On Its Own Neural Supersampling & Denoising Techniques For RDNA-Based GPUs, Competitor To DLSS Ray Reconstruction

AMD's upcoming FSR package could solve the noise issue on path-traced frames with proprietary neural supersampling & denoising techniques.
wccftech.com wccftech.com


Unfortunately AMD is two years behind Nvidia as Ray Reconstruction launch nearly two years ago
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Fortunately for them RR is crap and ghosts into waxy figures, so it's all good. :p

It's really only the upscaling they have to worry about & that's an easy job once they add actual HW acc. for it.
 
humbug said:
Y my windows no worky?????? :D
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Reminds me of years ago, when I (foolishly) showed my non-IT literate brother how to delete loads of 1K odd temp files on his PC, back in the days when HDD space was tight and expensive.

Cue a couple of days later..."my PC isn't booting."

Popped around to have a look, he'd only taken it upon himself to delete every single 1K file on the system! :p
 
tommybhoy said:
Yes and no.

Top end 408/90's can(ish), but everything under, forget it, too much artifacts/blur/wax when the (extremely good!)RTX software can't process throughput via the small bus/vram limitations Nv enforced on anything under the 4080.:thumbsup
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While true, RT it isn't just about that. Metro EE does it quite well and also you can do reflections, shadows or AO alone without killing (too much) the performance. It isn't that different to other raster features that appeared over the years - or just pushed now. For instance, SSAO on psycho is performing worse than RT reflections in CB2077 (and obviously offering worse image quality). PCSS, HFTS or AMD equivalent were also rather heavy on the performance.

Once issue with RT effects is that you don't really have a well defined settings: like effect quality (1:1, 1:2, 1:4 etc. for reflections for instance) or effect distance, so it can' be that well tuned for each card.

LE: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-4070-super-ex/33.html looking over the RT section of the review, without DLSS, it seems something like a 4070s does it decently if you're not expecting 4k. So does the 3080 and the rest.
 
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This thread had me intrigued because I've had a 4090 for 22 months and never played a game with RT 'knowing' the performance hit was too high and the difference was minimal. Bought CB 2077 and Doom eternal and blown away by night and day image of RT. Huge performance hit but beautiful. I've gone from a sceptic to believer. Climb on Board! I just ran the psycho benchmark 4K and it's really super impressive. As long as FPS above 40 and ideally always above 60 I'm very happy with RT.
 
Kelt said:
Reminds me of years ago, when I (foolishly) showed my non-IT literate brother how to delete loads of 1K odd temp files on his PC, back in the days when HDD space was tight and expensive.

Cue a couple of days later..."my PC isn't booting."

Popped around to have a look, he'd only taken it upon himself to delete every single 1K file on the system! :p
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At least he was rigorous...or something:):cry:
 
Jacky60 said:
This thread had me intrigued because I've had a 4090 for 22 months and never played a game with RT 'knowing' the performance hit was too high and the difference was minimal. Bought CB 2077 and Doom eternal and blown away by night and day image of RT. Huge performance hit but beautiful. I've gone from a sceptic to believer. Climb on Board! I just ran the psycho benchmark 4K and it's really super impressive. As long as FPS above 40 and ideally always above 60 I'm very happy with RT.
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Why Psycho? YOu shoudl be running path tracing mode on RT mode in Cyberpunk for maximum visual gains on a 4090. DLSS Performance with Frame gen on and path tracing fully enabled with everything else maxed. You will get 100fps on average at 4K, or DLSS Quality at 1440p for the same fps range.

Here's a UE5 Lumen RT Italian town tech demo that came out recently:

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It has no upscaling etc so this is native 4K.
 
Stop saying RT RT RT all the time. The devil is working overtime cant you see?

@mrk I think you can take a break and enjoy life a bit. You done good. Stock is up and Jensen is happy :D

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/Im kidding, don't take me seriously.. Not to much anyway.
 
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