What do you guys think of number plates for cyclists

I need to look this up ---- what are Tesla's capabilities for these kind of motorway or cyclist scenarios ... how pro-active are they ? (tesla's in India lol)

On original topic .. how will these reg-plates appear ? if face recognition improves to the level of anpr, this might obviate their need, as the cctv will nail errant cyclists, at least to the same degree as cars.


edit: tesla video ..it only tracks adjacent carriageway https://youtu.be/6fPykGpleDc?t=283
 
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FishFluff said:
You should maybe try riding a bike
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I catch your drift, and a trucker could possibly learn something from riding a bike in heavy traffic, but Scania said that if anyone spent some time riding shotgun in his truck, their opinions might change about truckers.
I’ve done my time at the wheel of a few 44 tonners, with trailer lengths between 14m and 16m.
I wouldn’t guarantee it, but a lot of civilians, on a trip from e.g. Stepney to Fulham, would have white knuckles, eyes pressed shut, and have almost bitten through their bottom lip, while they held their breath at seeing what the driver would encounter, and have to negotiate.
 
Wizzfizz said:
lol! I have never read such a stupid comment. Well done. Get off the efffin road if you're feeling
fatigued?!?!?!

(across the board)
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I can suggest doing some more reading and taking it up yourself. Can you imagine all the things cyclists would achieve if they listened to a driver who advises not to cycle if you're fatigued. I'm guessing you've never got behind the wheel even just slightly tired either?
 
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lunar said:
Another point. I noticed that cyclist pull out when there is a parked vehicle ahead of them without even looking back.
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But you know they have to pull out to pass it, so you should be aware of that when approaching them. Highway code states to make sure the road is sufficiently clear ahead before overtaking, but loads of people like to box cyclists in, whether they look / indicate or not.
 
The law also needs changing. The amount of roadies i see riding on the road when there is a cycle track running parallel to the road. No point building all new cycle routes if they are not going to be used. I'm into cross country riding so i'm all for not ever having to ride on a road :D
 
Sasahara said:
I've seen every type of road user do reckless things, car drivers the most, which you would expect as the are the biggest users. Does that mean everyone is reckless?
The amount of amount of no indicating is extremely high and indicating at the same time as turning/pulling over, which defeats the point.
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As a cyclist, cyclists do seem to be unaware of their particular vulnerability, which I can't explain ?, and thus, be more pro-active, than other motorized/bigger vehicles to show their intent, and assert themselves; is that down to typical age, training/naivety, even, hate to say it, our intelligence :)?

I'd contend Urban cycling in particular, takes more attention and brain power than driving, the planning ahead, watching (maybe unfamiliar) road surface, also, managing your power and ability to respond, physical requirements too, are more for a cyclist (balance/coordination/strength)

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Orionaut said:
I remain unconvinced as to the benefits of extreme bright colours really, especially with razzle-dazzle patterns.
After all, the whole point of dazzle camouflage is to confuse observers as to the speed and heading of the target.
Not really a good idea if you, as the "Target", are a cyclist or biker!
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was not aware of that type of camouflage but cycling jackets don't have distance evaluation defeat mechanisms try this
mine is orange though
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A randomised controlled trial with 6793 cyclists shows a reduced accident risk due to a yellow bicycle jacket.

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The test group had 47% fewer multiparty accidents with personal injury.

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The test group had 55% fewer multiparty accidents against motorised vehicles.
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pitkin said:
But you know they have to pull out to pass it, so you should be aware of that when approaching them. Highway code states to make sure the road is sufficiently clear ahead before overtaking, but loads of people like to box cyclists in, whether they look / indicate or not.
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Some people don't consider that they are overtaking another vehicle and think that someone on a bike is separate in their own lane in the gutter.
I find most other vehicles courteous leaving my plenty of room whilst I'm cycling but some don't and this has led to me taking more defensive positions when I approach points of the road where I feel exposed.
 
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AS others have said, there are bad cyclists, but there are bad examples in all methods of transport. As a keen cyclist (I commute 17ish miles to work between spring and autumn) plenty of my 'fellow' peddalers frustrate me enormously, and at times I've wished that there was some form of formal identification system for anonymous cyclists, but a number plate seems impracticable. Some of my thoughts;

I try to use cycle paths as much as possible, but may of them are covered in sharp stones, glass or other hazards. Shared cycle paths, even with a demarcated dividing line are prone to pedestrians aimlessly shambling into them, and then getting annoyed when you give them a couple of polite pings of your bell. Many cycle paths are also disjointed and ill-conceived, starting and stopping randomly without warning or decent signage; hardly conducive to a sustained period of motion (and thus sustained momentum and energy conservation)

Cycling on the road means keeping your wits about you. Not only do you have to pay attention to other road users, many of whom do not extend the same courtesy to you. Motorists these days are equally guilty of cutting people up, not indicating and changing direction sharply without warning.

While the recent news story about banning use of the term 'Cyclist' because it dehumanises was a little OTT, I can see their point. I am a man who drives and cycles, and when I am on my bike I obey traffic laws and stop at traffic lights etc. Yet even close friends who do not cycle will happily rant on about cyclists as one coherent group to be reviled, forgetting that I am sometimes a member of that group. Replace 'cyclist' with other terms, and I'm sure that anti-discrimination types would up in arms. Yes, I'm being a little over-dramatic, but as a cyclist I get fed up of being tarred with the brush of the worst of my fellows, when some motorists, bikers and truckers (not forgetting bus drivers!) are just as bad (or worse)
 
Beerbaron said:
The law also needs changing. The amount of roadies i see riding on the road when there is a cycle track running parallel to the road. No point building all new cycle routes if they are not going to be used. I'm into cross country riding so i'm all for not ever having to ride on a road :D
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All cycle tracks where I live are 15 mph and I go way faster than that
 
This morning's incidents.

  • Cut up twice whilst filtering. Probably a mixture of I should have preempted a car moving towards the curb to undertake another car turning or them cutting around a bend, but also it highlights how they weren't expecting anyone on their left. I think I'm fairly sensible with filtering normally and only go through large gaps.
  • Several cars stopping at lights in the cycling box. This is the space used so I can get a head start and not get cut up.
  • Undertaken in single lane as I took the right hand side of lane so that I could take a right at junction.
  • Overtaken whilst I was signalling. This happens daily and is why I tend to take more dominant positions in lanes approaching turnings.

Might all sound like nothing but you're very exposed on a bike and risk death if someone bumps into you. I feel like other road users see you as a annoyance who have a lower right to be on the road and who must be overtaken at all costs
 
lunar said:
Another point. I noticed that cyclist pull out when there is a parked vehicle ahead of them without even looking back.
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Bit brave not doing a life saver over the shoulder but then you're meant to in a car too and I swear at least half of drivers don't even know what one of these is. Vehicle in front has right of way, but you know that don't you? So you'll adjust your speed to suit as with your excellent observational powers you will realise all of this in plenty of time. It does help if the cyclist starts blending out earlier in these situations and not do a sudden swerve around the park car.

It is sad that we bicker about this topic so much in the UK. I just find it worrying I have to share the roads whilst I'm on bike or in my car with the likes of some of the posters in here and I know there is worse out there too :(
 
Deaths_Calling said:
This morning's incidents.

  • Cut up twice whilst filtering. Probably a mixture of I should have preempted a car moving towards the curb to undertake another car turning or them cutting around a bend, but also it highlights how they weren't expecting anyone on their left. I think I'm fairly sensible with filtering normally and only go through large gaps.
  • Several cars stopping at lights in the cycling box. This is the space used so I can get a head start and not get cut up.
  • Undertaken in single lane as I took the right hand side of lane so that I could take a right at junction.
  • Overtaken whilst I was signalling. This happens daily and is why I tend to take more dominant positions in lanes approaching turnings.

Might all sound like nothing but you're very exposed on a bike and risk death if someone bumps into you. I feel like other road users see you as a annoyance who have a lower right to be on the road and who must be overtaken at all costs
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I had:
  • Overtaken while just approaching a roundabout, then lamping on the brakes of the car.
  • Car swerving into the cycle lane I'm in to avoid car turning left.
  • Car overtaking me just before some red lights, then lamping brakes on.
  • Car trying to get round me when there was the raised central part of the road, meaning I was pretty much sat in his car.
I am always so conscious when riding and driving alike. I know what it's like to have a car pass you on a narrow stretch, so I wait, with a good distance when I'm driving. Likewise I know that some cyclists are complete numpties and never look or signal when they do anything. As a cyclist this drives me mad too. I've had bikes nearly wipe me out coming out of side roads as they just don't stop or look. I always signal early and thank my fellow car drivers for their space when I'm riding. It's just about not being a dick at the end of the day!
 
Deaths_Calling said:
  • Several cars stopping at lights in the cycling box. This is the space used so I can get a head start and not get cut up.
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Many people do this on purpose to stop cyclists trying to undertake them when they are turning left. For their own safety.

With drivers automatically getting the blame for things, they are going to just prevent incidents from occurring with physical blocks.

Drollic said:
I can suggest doing some more reading and taking it up yourself. Can you imagine all the things cyclists would achieve if they listened to a driver who advises not to cycle if you're fatigued. I'm guessing you've never got behind the wheel even just slightly tired either?
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You can't fall off a car and go head first under someone's wheel.
 
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Nasher said:
Many people do this on purpose to stop cyclists trying to undertake them when they are turning left. For their own safety.

With drivers automatically getting the blame for things, they are going to just prevent incidents from occurring with physical blocks.
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If the car is indicating at a set of lights then a cyclist is safer either in the box Infront of them or waiting behind. It would be silly to pull up alongside the car. If the box is taken by a car. The cyclist can only wait behind but then risks other cars trying to overtake and potentially cut you up as they turn.
I sometimes wait Infront of the box in the pedestrian crossing when this happens.
 
Nasher said:
Many people do this on purpose to stop cyclists trying to undertake them when they are turning left. For their own safety.

With drivers automatically getting the blame for things, they are going to just prevent incidents from occurring with physical blocks.

You can't fall off a car and go head first under someone's wheel.
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The box is at the front though, that's a rubbish reason. Road positioning in lane is a much better way to ensure others know which direction you're intending on going. Instead of stopping in the box that has been there for a cyclist to use move as far over to the left as possible with your indicator on. If a cyclist ignores the fact your indicator is on well then someone will get a Darwin award. If you're way over to the left the smaller gap should be small enough to make people think twice. Even as a cyclist I know it isn't fair on a car driver to expect a loon on bike to come whizzing up at 20+mph on the inside as they're turning left. I like being alive and will not do that myself, a cyclist who does that is no different to a car driver who skims past a cyclist to then turn right in front of them.

We all have to look out for each other, we all have as much right to be there as each other. We all just need to get on, please! :D
 
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