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What do you think of the 4070Ti?

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I've no horse in this race, I fully intend to skip this gen but it feels like both AMD and Nvidia have lost their minds with the pricing. They have a lot of clever people so maybe I'm wrong, let's see what their sales look like in 12 months.
Longer term wouldn't be surprised if MS or Sony will do a deal with Steam or Epic and kick the bottom out of the gaming pc market. The requirement for iOS and Android to facilitate 3rd party stores could possibly be applied into the console space too.

I honestly think that the best option for many PC gamers on a budget in the years ahead will be Steam Deck.

..by its 2nd or 3rd iteration the kinks will have ironed out, Will come with an OLED screen, improved battery life & games that have specifically optimised for it, which is more than can be said for the utter crap console ports for desktops.

Spending $600 on a new generation Steam Deck every 2-3yrs, will be become very appealing if things continue as they are with the insanity that's going on ATM in the PC space.
 
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Looking at Techspot review, I'd probably buy a RTX 4070 TI if priced at £600.

The Cyberpunk 2077 result is disappointing though:


The 7900XT does better in a lot of games, with fewer drops below 60, generally better 1% lows.
The thing about Cyberpunk is that the raster-demands are so heavy it actually makes little sense to test without RT on Nvidia. The performance ratios are all skewed. On AMD it still makes sense because their RT performance is so weak, but it's totally different for NV. But heck, the RT is so good in this game, I can't imagine playing without it anymore - and mind you I have an RX6800 so you can imagine the sacrifices necessary...

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why would you buy any of the new card when the RTX 3090ti or 3090 is on par with them and can be had cheaper (2nd hand ofc)

nvidia and amd are both hand in hand fleecing us off. duopoly this is.
Not everyone's okay with buying 2nd hand. If anything for a purchase like this it makes way more sense to buy a new card & go for a partner that offers 5y warranty as the performance is likely to last you a long time. Plus, you'll miss out on DLSS 3. ;)
 
The pricing has gone live in the UK. The Tier 2 cards like the TUF are 799 GBP inc. VAT. I would assume the tier 1 cards, like the Suprim X are going to come in at 899inc Vat.
 
Did anyone genuinely believe prices would stabilise though?

The last few years have only demonstrated to Nvidia that "people" will pay stupid money for their cards.

I've seen so many posts saying things like "things will go back to normal when 4xxx series is released", clearly, it hasn't.

I won't be buying an Nvidia GPU anytime soon.

I suppose we all hoped. I certainly did. I was looking forward to a release without miners and limited scalpers. Gamers have had it really hard for the past three years or so, I was hoping for a break. But NVIDIA and AMD just seem to want to screw us as much as the miners and scalpers did, which sure is depressing. But you are right, we have done this to ourselves. If enthusiasts wouldn't get hyped up in to a frenzy and pay any amount for the latest cards then this situation wouldn't have happened - wouldn't be happening.
I'm really not sure what motivates NVIDIA and AMD at the moment. It's not easy to read them. There has been a huge downturn in PC sales since the pandemic, miners have stopped buying, scalpers have stopped buying, all these factors add up to far fewer sales. So, is it gamers not buying because they are disgusted with the prices or is this just the downturn in sales? Did NVIDIA and AMD predict this downturn and that's why they are charging more to cover their costs? Or are they genuinely stupid and just thought we would automatically buy? I have to say that by the reaction of the stores seems to be that low sales of the 4080 has caught them by surprise. I suppose we have to wait and see whether the NVIDIA boys jump all over the 4070ti or not. I hope they don't but who really knows?
Anyway, I am depressed. The market is totally messed up. Do you know it's still possible to buy a 3090ti for £2200? I mean what? It's an absolute minefield out there. Both NVIDIA and AMD have made an utterly horrific mess of this release at a time when ordinary gamers really needed a break. :/
 
The thing about Cyberpunk is that the raster-demands are so heavy it actually makes little sense to test without RT on Nvidia. The performance ratios are all skewed. On AMD it still makes sense because their RT performance is so weak, but it's totally different for NV. But heck, the RT is so good in this game, I can't imagine playing without it anymore - and mind you I have an RX6800 so you can imagine the sacrifices necessary...

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Not everyone's okay with buying 2nd hand. If anything for a purchase like this it makes way more sense to buy a new card & go for a partner that offers 5y warranty as the performance is likely to last you a long time. Plus, you'll miss out on DLSS 3. ;)
The thing that kills it for me is the way they nerfed it. There is no way that the 4070ti should have such a reduced memory bus, it painfully restricts the card from doing 4K. If you are spending £850+ for a card it shouldn't have a child lock on it. I wouldn't buy one even at £600.
 
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The thing that kills it for me is the way they nerfed it. There is no way that the 4070ti should have such a reduced memory bus, it painfully restricts the card from doing 4K. If you are spending £850+ for a card it shouldn't have a child lock on it. I wouldn't buy one even at £600.
I think 12 GB is fine, and 500 GB/s is just on the line of being enough (keep in mind the extra l2$) even for 4K because in the end it's not really 4K (DLSS performance), only the 4090 can actually handle that. Imo the real pain is for those cards below 4070 because now you're talking 128bit & 8 GB vram, and the prices will still be heavy but now they will be much harder to justify. To me that situation is really, really dire.
 
I think people are right to discount DLSS3 when looking at this card and certainly anything below. The lower down the product stack the less relevant DLSS3 is surely. The frame generation becomes more unpredictable the lower the frame rate, so on cards like the 4070 were you could be getting say sub 40 fps rendered (@4k), the "guess " on the intermediate frame will be less accurate as more will have changed between rendered frames. We've all the seen the mess you can get on the inserted frames when the scene changes completely between the rendered frames, the lower the rendered frame rate the more this will happen, in this regard the DLSS2 AI upscaling of rendered frames is a better solution imo.


This doesn't really make any sense. Not least, DLSS 2 doesn't upscale a single frame, it uses the accumulation of multiple previous frames to generate the next frame. This is the whole point of using motion vectors combined with ML, so the predictions are accurate and visually pleasing even when the native frame rate is low.

In this regard, DLSS 3 is much more important for the 4070 class hardware than 4090
 
I honestly think that the best option for many PC gamers on a budget in the years ahead will be Steam Deck.

..by its 2nd or 3rd iteration the kinks will have ironed out, Will come with an OLED screen, improved battery life & games that have specifically optimised for it, which is more than can be said for the utter crap console ports for desktops.

Spending $600 on a new generation Steam Deck every 2-3yrs, will be become very appealing if things continue as they are with the insanity that's going on ATM in the PC space.
Man lol i don't want to jinx this. But what prevents steam deck from selling at 2k? Theres no real alternative to pc gaming if you have been on the platform for 20 years. Everyone talking abt switching to consoles is just engaging in some sort of brinkmanship, there's no way you can reasonably cover your existing library of games on a xbox or ps. So the steam deck will be feeling no pressure whatsoever from Nintendo.

I watched Gabe's interview before the launch of deck and he was emphasizing like how they are not making any profits off it. He has laid down expectations, deck 2 is going to be priced higher
 
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It's very difficult to tell how good the 4070Ti (and all 4xxx cards) really are compared to previous generations because of DLSS3. Nvidia are enabling DLSS3 in their marketing benchmarks which invalidates their test. It is impossible to tell how much of the performance improvement is due to better silicon and how much is down to DLSS3. For a proper comparison of the silicon, we really need to see benchmarks of various cards from different generations with DLSS (of whatever version) completely disabled (are there any such benchmarks?). Then in addition a comparison of DLSS2 vs DLSS3 on the same card (including framerates and screenshots so we can pixel peep and determine image quality differences) will tell us how much improvement DLSS3 is making over DLSS2.
 
It's very difficult to tell how good the 4070Ti (and all 4xxx cards) really are compared to previous generations because of DLSS3. Nvidia are enabling DLSS3 in their marketing benchmarks which invalidates their test. It is impossible to tell how much of the performance improvement is due to better silicon and how much is down to DLSS3. For a proper comparison of the silicon, we really need to see benchmarks of various cards from different generations with DLSS (of whatever version) completely disabled (are there any such benchmarks?). Then in addition a comparison of DLSS2 vs DLSS3 on the same card (including framerates and screenshots so we can pixel peep and determine image quality differences) will tell us how much improvement DLSS3 is making over DLSS2.

plenty of 3rd party reviews are out showing raw performance , on average its slightly faster at 1440p over the 3090ti while consuming less power and slightly behind at 4K this is raw power

the issue isnt the performance uplift from last gen its the pricing just like this whole generation unless you used to buying 90 tier
 
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It's performing in the 3090 ti ballpark if you go by traditional metrics while consuming a lot less power. You have lower vram than the previous gen flagship as a negative. The positives are dlss3 and a more scalable rt framework. You can actually run msfs 4k at 100+ fps with dlss3. The card i think showed a robust lead in speedway benches (not very sure abt the last point)

Edit: it matches the 3090 in speedway, the stat i saw was in comparison to 7900xt (+10% approx)
 
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Man lol i don't want to jinx this. But what prevents steam deck from selling at 2k? Theres no real alternative to pc gaming if you have been on the platform for 20 years. Everyone talking abt switching to consoles is just engaging in some sort of brinkmanship, there's no way you can reasonably cover your existing library of games on a xbox or ps. So the steam deck will be feeling no pressure whatsoever from Nintendo.

I watched Gabe's interview before the launch of deck and he was emphasizing like how they are not making any profits off it. He has laid down expectations, deck 2 is going to be priced higher
Valve don't need to make profit on it, it can be underwritten by Steam. In fact their entire business is dependent on having accessible PC hardware available to drive game sales so much like the console companies (though obviously less locked in) it makes sense to try and keep the price low.
 
It's very difficult to tell how good the 4070Ti (and all 4xxx cards) really are compared to previous generations because of DLSS3. Nvidia are enabling DLSS3 in their marketing benchmarks which invalidates their test. It is impossible to tell how much of the performance improvement is due to better silicon and how much is down to DLSS3. For a proper comparison of the silicon, we really need to see benchmarks of various cards from different generations with DLSS (of whatever version) completely disabled (are there any such benchmarks?). Then in addition a comparison of DLSS2 vs DLSS3 on the same card (including framerates and screenshots so we can pixel peep and determine image quality differences) will tell us how much improvement DLSS3 is making over DLSS2.

Total War: Warhammer 3 in 1440p is pretty good as its a DX11 game and does not support DLSS.

The 4070ti is about twice the speed of a 6700XT AIB in 1440p
or
12% faster than a 3080 FTW3 (approx. 1,200 GBP to buy, if you could find one)
or
10% faster than a 6950XT Nitro+ (approx. 1,150 GBP to buy, if you could find one)
or
4% slower than a 3090ti FTW (approx. 1,800 GBP to buy, if you could find one).

One crumb of comfort therefore is, if Nvidia can flood the market with these cards, at least it puts a line under the film marked 'GPUs - The Pandemic Years'.
 
It's performing in the 3090 ti ballpark if you go by traditional metrics while consuming a lot less power. You have lower vram than the previous gen flagship as a negative. The positives are dlss3 and a more scalable rt framework. You can actually run msfs 4k at 100+ fps with dlss3. The card i think showed a robust lead in speedway benches (not very sure abt the last point)
At 4k it's basically the same performance per dollar as the 3080, but a generation late.
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The 4070ti PCPer review (aka Nvidia PR Marketing team) says:

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The audacity of it is hilarious. Total losers, imagine if this was how you conduct yourself to make a living.

We saw this same schtick with Tom's Hardware US last gen and they were laughed out of town, so much so their EU editor distanced himself from them.
 
At 4k it's basically the same performance per dollar as the 3080, but a generation late.
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There are no real options if you don't want to buy used or pony up and go for a higher tier. 6900 XT is a possible candidate but only if you are hyperfocused on raster only perf.

This is assuming someone wants to (made up their mind to) buy in said tier. Ofc sitting out is an option too
 
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It's performing in the 3090 ti ballpark if you go by traditional metrics while consuming a lot less power. You have lower vram than the previous gen flagship as a negative. The positives are dlss3 and a more scalable rt framework. You can actually run msfs 4k at 100+ fps with dlss3. The card i think showed a robust lead in speedway benches (not very sure abt the last point)

Good point. Are there any reviews or benchmarks that show performance per watt (without DLSS) figures compared to 3xxx series?

Currently running a 3080Ti, first (and only) GPU I've ever bought new, and the only reason for that is I needed HDMIv2.1 for 4k120 and wasn't willing to wait. I think I'll wait till half way through the next generation (5xxx series I assume) and then buy a used 4090 (or 4090Ti if they release one?), hoping for a MSI Suprim Liquid.
 
Good point. Are there any reviews or benchmarks that show performance per watt (without DLSS) figures compared to 3xxx series?

Currently running a 3080Ti, first (and only) GPU I've ever bought new, and the only reason for that is I needed HDMIv2.1 for 4k120 and wasn't willing to wait. I think I'll wait till half way through the next generation (5xxx series I assume) and then buy a used 4090 (or 4090Ti if they release one?), hoping for a MSI Suprim Liquid.
I think HUB or GN mustve done that.. there's a huge bump up in power efficiency. I have also linked a review from theverge in one of my earlier comments, they have a nice presentation in tabular form..

And personally i won't really recommend the 4070ti upgrade in your specific case
 
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