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What do you think of the 4070Ti?

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uscool said:
we always had improvements whlle keeping around the same pricing , this isnt 70 tier pricing
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Exactly, and this is the way almost ALL consumer electronics works. Take CPU's for example, they always strive to offer improved performance at a similar price, sure cost hikes happen, but they are mostly related to increased cost and kept in check. This is all due to the fact they want to sell new CPUs to people that have a perfectly good CPU but by offering convincing value for money with a decent price and performance boost, people upgrade. Look at Nvidia, they continually try to just straight up offer you more performance for massive price hikes. Nothing else in the consumer electronics world behaves this way, it's just pure greed. The bottom line is, Nvidia and AMD need to wake up and get a reality check. We the people, have perfectly good GPU's, the performance we get is totally fine, I have no reason to upgrade with the performance I have and the games I play, therefore I will refuse to buy anything from either AMD or Nvidia until I see VALUE FOR MONEY, which means I want to see a PERFORMANCE PER $ improvement over my previous card, not just PAY MORE GET MORE, if this is how they want to do business, where does it ever end?, we scale up to $5k for a 25060RTX SUPER DUPA, then reset back to $600 in 2035. If we adopted Nvidias pricing models or "improvements = more money", we would never have great Televisions on sale for $700, they would all be $10k by now, and the top tier ones around $2k would all be $50k now. It's just madness, how about a toaster I could get 20 years ago for $40, I do not walk into town and see that same toaster for $500. Its just greed, lack of competition and an unsustainable business model to try satisfy shareholder greed and constant demands for growth. I mean, god forbid a company sees a fall in growth, profits and revenue after a GLOBAL pandemic ends and a CRYPTO MINING BOOM ends, that was resulting in literally every single GPU being scooped up regardless of being 3 times their normal price.... I mean, **** me, are these investors that retarded?, that greedy?, that it does not matter what the reasons were, once those tasty gains were tasted, they just had to have MOAR!!!!.

This industry is now a sickness, a cancer, its cancer driven by greed, the sooner its either rooted out or dies the better, then we can bury it and move on.
 
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Sgt_Major said:
Exactly, and this is the way almost ALL consumer electronics works. Take CPU's for example, they always strive to offer improved performance at a similar price, sure cost hikes happen, but they are mostly related to increased cost and kept in check. This is all due to the fact they want to sell new CPUs to people that have a perfectly good CPU but by offering convincing value for money with a decent price and performance boost, people upgrade. Look at Nvvidia, they continually try just straight up offer you more ferformance for massive price hikes. Nothing else in the consumer electronics world behaves with way, it's just pure greed. The bottom line is, Nvidia and AMD need to wake up and get a reality check. We the people, have perfectly good GPU's, the performance we get is totally fine, I have no reason to upgrade with the performance I have and the games I play, therefore I will refuse to buy anything from either AMD or Nvidia until I see VALUE FOR MONEY, which means I want to see a PERFORMANCE PER $ improvement over my previous card, not just PAY MORE GET MORE, if this is how they want to do business, where does it ever end?, we scale up to $5k for a 25060RTX SUPER DUPA, then reset back to $600 in 2035. If we adopted Nvidias pricing models or "improvements = more money", we would never have great Televisions on sale for $700, they would all $10k by now, and the top tier ones around $2k wouild all be $50k now. It's just madness, how about a toaster I could get 20 years ago for $40, I do not walk into town and see that same toaster for $500. Its just greed, lack of competition and an unsustainable business model to try satisfy shareholder greed and constant demands for growth. I mean, god forbid a company sees a fall in growth, profits and revenue after a GLOBAL pandemic ends and a CRYPTO MINING BOOM ends, that was resulting in literally every single GPU being scooped up regardless of being 3 times their normal price.... I mean, **** me, are these investors that retarded?, that greedy?, that it does not matter what the reasons were, once those tasty gains were tasted, they just had to have MOAR!!!!.

This industry is now a sickness, a cancer, its cancer driven by greed, the sooner its either rooted out or dies the better, then we can bury it and move on.
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I remember what oled tv cost me 4 years ago and look what I could get now for much less and much better even could go bigger in size
 
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Isn't the Ti version ment to be somewhat close to the next tier in performance, seems far closer to a 3080 than a 4080.. Why would anyone buy this?
 
Shocky-FM said:
Isn't the Ti version ment to be somewhat close to the next tier in performance, seems far closer to a 3080 than a 4080.. Why would anyone buy this?
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If your stuck on an old card and badly need an upgrade then there is some merit to it although personally if I was in that situation I'd looking scouting the used market for a deal.
 
thebandit said:
The whole thing seems short term thinking, if people get fed up with it, sell up and make the jump to consoles, it's unlikely they will come back.
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Financial markets can't help them when it comes to short-termism.

Nvidia and AMD probably think that the barriers to entry are so huge that nobody can come in and disrupt the market.

I guess by the time a third or more importantly a fourth player (I don't see Intel ever being disruptive), then the current prices will have long killed the golden PC gaming goose.
 
Ormy1 said:
In normal times I would agree. But when you consider the current crazy electricity prices in the UK, and the increase in performance per watt (4070Ti has almost double the perf/watt of the 3090Ti) it might be cheaper in the long run (6-12+ months) to buy a 4070Ti at £900 compared to a 3090Ti at £500.
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I just did the sums for that based on 40p per kWh. If you bought a 3090Ti at £500, using the £300 you saved not buying the 4070ti would pay for approximately 1500 hours of gameplay on the 3090ti. So you would have to be a pretty heavy gamer to play that much in a year. Over 4 hours a day, every day for a year. I think a more realistic scenario would be 2 hours a day, every day for 2 years.

It would take about 3 years for the costs of both cards to align when including electricity usage. So would you rather have 3 years of a 3090ti or 3 years of a 4070ti?
 
uscool said:
I remember what oled tv cost me 4 years ago and look what I could get now for much less
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Yep, I purchased a Samsung 65inch flagship curved TV about 5-6 years ago, when launched it cost £3500, I bought it new a year later on sale for £2100. I could now buy something significantly better for MUCH MUCH less.....am I butthurt over that?, NOPE, that's PROGRESS, and it makes me happy, because I know when I come to upgrade I can spend less and get something of even higher performance. But my gtx 1060 6gb I picked up years ago for around £250, I have yet to be offered a compelling upgrade by Nvidia.
 
lovelyhead said:
I just did the sums for that based on 40p per kWh. If you bought a 3090Ti at £500, using the £300 you saved not buying the 4070ti would pay for approximately 1500 hours of gameplay on the 3090ti. So you would have to be a pretty heavy gamer to play that much in a year. Over 4 hours a day, every day for a year. I think a more realistic scenario would be 2 hours a day, every day for 2 years.

It would take about 3 years for the costs of both cards to align when including electricity usage. So would you rather have 3 years of a 3090ti or 3 years of a 4070ti?
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I did my sums based on 45p/kWh and 4-6 hours of gaming per day, which is my average, just assumed that was normal haha. My mistake. I also assumed £900 for the 4070Ti since most variants are around that price. Thanks for sanity checking my maths.
 
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Why are people complaining about the 4070 TIs 4K performance?

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72 FPS minimums in most games. A little behind the competition (7900 XT), which I'd say is a bit better at 4K, but both can handle games at 4K. The minimums are 56% higher than the RTX 3070, an 50% higher than the RTX 4070 TI.

The ugly thing is the prices.
 
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