What do you think of the 4070Ti?

brostradamus · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:31

What's supporting that conviction. Last i saw an article that the dual issue pipeline isn't scaling in mixed wave 64/32 workloads. The architecture maybe a big flop .

And i was shocked looking at the prev comment where you have mentioned your past GPU purchases

Purgatory · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:32

TNA said:
Thing is, you won't have it but the same applies to AMD! Their GPU's should be even cheaper to make, but they are shafting us with their silly prices

One is as you say shafting us with cheaper to make gpus and other is shafting us with software tricks like frame generation and lower spec hardware really as less VRAM on the 4070ti compared to any of the AMD offerings so far. They really are proving to be sleeping in the same bed and hoping their customers picks them on their needs at the time and it will balance out for both of them.

Mehh really had enough and sick at looking at tech stuff this year and even CES this year has really annoyed me with some of the products in a time the world is suffering with high inflation and the average person can not even pay their bills now. But lets make products that no one can afford right now and products that are minor updates from previous year with a double the price tag attached because of some gimmick added to it. :rolleyes:

TNA · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:35

humbug said:
Similar performance give or take raster and RT, similar price.

Yeah they are as bad as eachother, it need to be $100 if not $150 cheaper.

Again tho, if AMD can get another 10% out of the drivers.... i think the 7900XTX is a better card than the 4080 at its price. Right now its not.

Matt really should be hooking you up with one of his discarded 6900 XT's for all your hardwork.

AMD probably have better margins, they should have come in at a much lower price point.

But let's get real, they knew there were enough AMD boys happy to pay that price point and it would sell initial inventory easily and looks like they may have as they can't even sort out RMA's :cry:

But wait until Q2 at the latest once everyone had their fill their sales will fall off the cliff and prices will come down.

Joxeon · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:36

krooton said:
If we see a 4060ti at £450, that would put it pretty much at the same price as the 3060ti FE at launch when accounting for inflation, and if it has a 50% improvement on the 3060ti, then it should still be classed as the best bang for buck?

The thing is though it'll probably be starting £500 and the same speed as a 3070.

humbug · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:36

brostradamus said:
What's supporting that conviction. Last i saw an article that the dual issue pipeline isn't scaling in mixed wave 64/32 workloads. The architecture maybe a big flop .

And i was shocked looking at the prev comment where you have mentioned your past GPU purchases

IMO there are reasons to believe the performance is not what AMD expected, there is some consensus the drivers are borked, the thing is sometimes slower than the 6950XT dragging the overall performance down, equally sometimes the thing is faster than an RTX 4090, its not right.

Add to that, given the 7800XT specifications, if those driver are right it will end up the same performance as the RX 6800XT AT BEST.

You could be right, it could just be ####'ed and irretrievable. Let us hope not.

Why are you shocked at my GPU purchases?

Grim5 · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:37

Purgatory said:
I'm surprised you even got that for your 3090, didn't you smash it up with a hammer before selling it ?

Seriously now...

You would be mad to sell a 3080 for £500 right now with what is going on in the market.. Anyone with anything higher has zero reason to throw good money on any of these gpus from Nvidia and AMD, if you like feeding the devil and updating every generation then well expect to keep feeding him till he eats you all away.

This generation is to me one of the worst ever I have seen in all my life for pricing. Also this is when I was paying £600-800 for the best gpus over 20 years ago and people were laughing at me back then for doing that and saying buy a console or an all in one pc.

Nvidia and AMD are soon going back to that market style of high prices and low demand as it was all them years back as there were very few into pc's and gaming then and so was expected with the low sales that prices would have been that high but even then we were getting double or more the performance each generation and a generation was only 6 months in some cases to a year not 2 years or more to get 35% on average better performance at now even more silly pricing in the world we live in right now where people can't even pay their bills.

These companies have lost the plot really and anyone that doesn't see that is well blind.

Boring rant

humbug · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:43

@brostradamus genuine question. what is it about my GPU purchases comment that shocks you?

TNA · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:43

Grim5 said:
Boring rant

Be like Grim, be cool, buy a 4090..

On finance :cry:

Purgatory · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:50

TNA said:
Be like Grim, be cool, buy a 4090..

On finance

Gibbo · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:54

Well I think the hate for this card is helping it sell out, were nearly out on all SKU's priced sub £900. :eek:

I am also seeing most competitors close to selling out or sold out as well.....

Mr G · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:56

Gibbo said:
Well I think the hate for this card is helping it sell out, were nearly out on all SKU's priced sub £900.

I am also seeing most competitors close to selling out or sold out as well.....

It's not a bad product, it's a bad price that has caused this much hate.

RavenXXX2 · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:57

See how it's selling in a month when the fomo crowd have had their fill.

TNA · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:58

Gibbo said:
Well I think the hate for this card is helping it sell out, were nearly out on all SKU's priced sub £900.

I am also seeing most competitors close to selling out or sold out as well.....

Say that again by the end of Q2

It is not surprising it is selling. Finally a 4000 series card many can afford. Still **** value though.

RavenXXX2 · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:05

TNA said:
Say that again by the end of Q2

It is not surprising it is selling. Finally a 4000 series card many can afford. Still **** value though.

It's pushing a grand, the many can afford that? surely they can pony up the extra few hundred for the much better product in the 4080 in that case. If I was desperate for a GPU, I would certainly not be blowing my load over a 192 bit memory restricted 4070ti with anything from 5 to 15% performance over the 3080, I would rob my gran for the extra and buy the equally terrible deal the 4080 FE.

lovelyhead · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:08

Gibbo said:
Well I think the hate for this card is helping it sell out, were nearly out on all SKU's priced sub £900.

I am also seeing most competitors close to selling out or sold out as well.....

Read the room man!

It isn't really surprising that it has sold out. It will be sitting on shelf's gathering dust soon after the initial rush that every GPU at launch has.

We are entering the greatest recession / depression any of us have ever experienced. People will be saved from their own stupidity of buying these GPU's due to the fact the vast majority of people won't be able to afford them even if they do desire them.

TNA · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:10

RavenXXX2 said:
It's pushing a grand, the many can afford that? surely they can pony up the extra few hundred for the much better product in the 4080 in that case. If I was desperate for a GPU, I would certainly not be blowing my load over a 192 bit memory restricted 4070ti with anything from 5 to 15% performance over the 3080, I would rob my gran for the extra and buy the equally terrible deal the 4080 FE.

Well it's like this Raven.

£1600 is in reach of some people.
£1200 is in reach of more people.
£800 is in reach of yet even more people.

It is not rocket science good sir

humbug · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:13

Gibbo said:
Well I think the hate for this card is helping it sell out, were nearly out on all SKU's priced sub £900.

I am also seeing most competitors close to selling out or sold out as well.....

ah...ffs, i mean good for you and the store, i would not want to take that away from you but this is bad news for those of us at the buying end

Twinz · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:14

-Checking a couple online retailers this moring in the US, and there are more models available now than when I looked yesterday.

Wow. This is *not* the lock-down mining-boom market.

Ayahuasca · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:15

The real play is to take a few years out of gaming and spend all that time investing in yourself and becoming a top revenue earner. Then you will have no issues dropping £5k on a 6090 in a few years time.

humbug · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:17

Ayahuasca said:
The real play is to take a few years out of gaming and spend all that time investing in yourself and becoming a top revenue earner. Then you will have no issues dropping £5k on a 6090 in a few years time.

If only the meta game was as easy in real life as it is in 3D.