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No im not, he literally said that
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Found out where Bencher works...
Hired to spam tech forums 24/7 for Nvidia to keep the prices up.
I'm out of this thread it's pointless really trying to explain to some what the issue is and all they do is spam back a reply that states the obvious or avoids the main part asked.
Anyways I feel like Bencher has a target on his back by the mods on here. So will say it now was nice talking to you before they pull the trap door on you.
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@Bencher: I have to know, if in 8 years time when the 9090 is released and it cost £8k but you got 400% more performance than a 4090 would you still laud it as a great product, say that it's great value, and gush all over it like you've been doing in this thread over the 4070Ti and 40 series in general?
Where has he lauded anything as great value and has been gushing over the 4000 series.
It's interesting you ask such a loaded and leading question. Isn't it.
It seems the passion is in the hatred of the cards. Anyone who doesn't join in that hatred is 'gushing' over the cards and think they are great value?
It is very cult like.
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@Anth-h90 That's misleading no? He has qualified the statement.
The 4070 Ti is fine. Maybe not what people hoped the price would be, but the level of hatred is absurd and doesn't reflect the competition in the market.
It has the same performance per $ as the 7900 XT which is actually $100 more. Where is the same level of hate for that. People seem to be irrationally targetting nvidia more.
The 4070 Ti is fine. Maybe not what people hoped the price would be, but the level of hatred is absurd and doesn't reflect the competition in the market.
It has the same performance per $ as the 7900 XT which is actually $100 more. Where is the same level of hate for that. People seem to be irrationally targetting nvidia more.
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They can charge as much as they want, we can hate as much as we want.
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The state of this.
I agree on both counts. It is hilarious observing though. I doubt nvidia care what people here say. They will decide what happens next based on whether people got enough value for from the cards to buy the 4000 series cards at the prices they set.
4090 and 4070 Ti is yet to reach MSRP post launch. The 4080 I'm sure nvidia will think maybe it was slightly too much.
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As for the gushing over the 4000 series i really CBA to quote all the times Bencher has done that, you've been posting in this thread so you're well aware that's what Bencher has been doing.
As for whether i asked a loaded and leading question you're going to have to explain how I've done that because from my perspective I've not done so. Also if you think what i posted has any display of passion or hatred of the cards then what would you call what Bencher has been posting about the 7900xt? Or are you going to deny that also.
This, but, but, but, is getting tiresome. This is a thread about what people think of the 4070Ti and Nvidia hold a de-facto monopoly so there's a very strong argument that they set the price.
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I never lauded it as a great product. I said its a great product on the current gpu market since it slaughters the competition.
So to answer your question, yes if the 9090 costs 8k but the competing cards are not only more expensive but are actually worse then yeah, i would consider it a great value on that specific market.
The 4070ti doesnt exist in a vacuum. It exists in a market where laughably bad cards such as the 7900xt are sold for more. In that market the ti is a good card.
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How do you guys even find the time to write all this stuff
I kind of find it entertaining to see so much bitterness over a company that doesn't care about them. Arsenal vs Spurs is a bit boring atm as well.
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It boggles my mind, 7900xts are actually selling for like 1k and people expect nvidia to drop the 4070ti to the 500s. Why would they ever do that when they already not only have the better card, but the cheaper one as well is beyond me. Its embarrasing for grown ups to think this way, it does not make sense.
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How can that be possible wowwww
You said better card , last time you said much better have you slightly adjusted now ? Lol
But are you looking at sales from the date 4070ti was released, because the 7900xt was released before
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Better + cheaper = much better. Haven't adjusted at all.
I've checked today a couple of sites, newegg amazon and mindfactory, ive seen some XTs on the top 10.
You did but i CBA to once again search through, and quote the posts, where you did exactly that or even dispute the rather wonky context that you're applying to your judgment of what makes a great product.
I CBA because you've clearly demonstrated that you're not having these discussions in good faith, that you're cherry picking whatever supports your 'argument'. E.g how you completely ignore the last 50 years of IC history and for that matter the last 30 years of Nvidia history, doing so not only demonstrates a lack of good faith on your behalf but also a total lack of objectivity.
Especially so when you claim the 4070ti doesn't exist in a vacuum but stubbornly refuse to look at what came before it, at the context, at the last 30 years of markets, at the fact that Nvidia are the 800 pound gorilla in the room. You can't see the woods for the trees, whether intentionally or not.
selling since release or from last week the 4070ti was released later ? dont get yourself so worked up some reason just picture you boiling over seeing AMD above anything intel or nvidia
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