I finally watched the Joker on Amazon Prime, finally a movie I wanted to watch after getting some scant value from movie Prime for months.
As a long time Batman comic fan I both liked and disliked it, but both by quite a lot, I really liked parts of it and really disliked others, which was possibly Todd Phillip's intent. He didn't do it the way I wanted it to be, but I did still really respect his vision and he clearly gets the Batman and Joker mythos better than a lot of others have in the movie industry.
The full Joker gear is a superb costume design, they totally nailed the transformation and unlike the pathetic Leto Joker, Phoenix looks cool and dangerous; they did really well in that aspect. But I didn't like the "society creates monsters" or "you get what you deserve" theme, just being honest, I thought that was trite and almost made for too much of an anti-hero feel to the point of him being a hero, maybe even a little irresponsibly so in light of that nutcase in a cinema a few years back.
It's also somewhat of a meshing of Taxi Driver and the King of Comedy, with Phillips not trying to hide with that fact casting De Niro, who I really liked in this for the first time in years. Both those movies are well worth watching as direct influences to Joker if you haven't seen them before.
Even so, this movie is great in areas and highly watchable, they did do a decent job of trying to explain how someone could descend into madness. I was extremely surprised to even choke up at a scene for a couple of seconds totally out of the blue. Overall a good, complex movie especially for a supervillain movie that did a better job than I thought it would.
I think Ledger is still a slicker action movie Joker, but I think Phoenix is a deeper character study, both good in their own way.
However, I still prefer the Killing Joke comic book Joker to both, precisely because he really didn't deserve what he got. The message of that book is that no one ever, really, truly gets what they deserve, life is much more cruel and random - and that's the real joke.