What is a good salary in UK at present?

This is what I mentioned earlier. We are richer through career progression not proper wage increases.

The missus and I were on 80k combined adjusted for inflation back in 2008. She was a machine operative and I was a team leader in a factory at 21 years old. Simple working class jobs 9-5. That was a 45-48 hour week as well. Weekends off, time and quarter after 35 hours and time and half after 48, up to 13 weeks full sick pay depending on time served, final salary pension (What a noob I was not to start paying into that).

All that stuff basically doesn't exist now at the company I started working at. Just a flat miserable rate and they do not even pay for breaks so some people are basically working below minimum wage but it is legal.

You cannot blame that all on government as it is just pure greed.

To be at the same level as were then you need to be an area manager in charge of 50+ people, be HR, be Payroll because the whole lot has been streamlined with computers so not only are you doing your original job of ten years ago but you are also doing the job of two others!

Yep. Its all gone to ****.

I also didnt blame it all on the government - did indeed blame it on greedy rich people as well.

UK wages are just hilariously low now.
 
Racist, probably not but your xenophobia is shining through just from your last few posts in this thread alone.

Saying Switzerland is very tolerant toward everyone is some major cope. I’ve worked there numerous times travelling with a multicultured group and the Indian guy with us had a hellish time with the looks and abuse he was getting.

"A hellish time with the looks he was getting". Wow, there is precious and then there is precious. Where did this happen as I simply don't believe it. Major cities are very multicultural and the countryside loves the tourism.

The only caveat is if he was breaking rules which is frowned upon with everyone. ;) *


*and for lots of people they don't realise they were even rules in the first place so understandable.

Yeah, I think he's made it quite clear he has prejudices and we should probably ignore him and move on.

So you do wear lycra? Feel free to pick it out if you've got your knickers in a twist over my comment.

To be fair with his comments on the UK it makes it even stranger that he was so desperate to make it to the UK via a backdoor (Ireland) when the travel ban was in place during COVID lockdown so he didn't have to isolate for 2 weeks.

Gee, I wonder why I didn't want to have to isolate for 2 weeks.......

Living as I do in a tourist area, it's having to deal with (probably Swiss) tourists that does that.

Those pesky clean people.

"Tolerant" is absolutely not the first word I would pick out when describing the Swiss :D

Halts maul Austrian :D , that's the pot calling the kettle black haha.
 
"A hellish time with the looks he was getting".

Selective quoting doesn’t help, did you miss the abuse part for a reason?

Coincidentally, there’s a Reddit thread from a few days ago on this and a lot of Swiss people are happy to accept they are xenophobic.


By no means is it a bad country to live in, far from it. But they have their issues and my Indian colleague at the time said he’d never live there due to how he was treat. That speaks volumes considering he moved to the UK and grew up in an era where people being openly racist in public was quite common.
 
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Why do you care so much if someone is a bit xenophobic/racist?
Just curious... And you're stereo typing an entire country on a Reddit post anyway?
A tiny little landlocked European country. Ofc it's not as "progressive" as an empire forging one like the UK where we've had 75 years or forced post war integration. Leave any city in any country and you'll meet people that don't wanna be invaded and crushed by city dwelling aholes and their ideas.
Anyway. :p
Step out of your shoes and look at it from another perspective.
 
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Selective quoting doesn’t help, did you miss the abuse part for a reason?

Coincidentally, there’s a Reddit thread from a few days ago on this and a lot of Swiss people are happy to accept they are xenophobic.


So please elaborate, what abuse? Bearing in mind Switzerland has a very low threshold for criminally charging people that abuse others. I'm intrigued to hear what happened.

And reading that thread shows the opposite? Unless xenophobia means we have to accept everyone and let them ruin our culture? One of thr comments on that thread summed it up nicely.
  1. Swiss people tend to have some habits/things they find perfectly normal that may surprise other people, notably foreigners, i.e. staring, being cold at the beginning, etc.
  2. Reaction to foreigners is vastly different depending on whether they try to integrate or not. Come to Switzerland, shop locally, learn the language, be mindful of others, etc, and you'll have little trouble. Come to the same place, shop abroad, talk to everyone in English, make too much noise (especially late in the night), etc, and everyone will hate you quite quickly.
 
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Why do you care so much if someone is a bit xenophobic/racist?
Just curious... And you're stereo typing an entire country on a Reddit post anyway?
A tiny little landlocked European country. Ofc it's not as "progressive" as an empire forging one like the UK where we've had 75 years or forced post war integration. Leave any city in any country and you'll meet people that don't wanna be invaded and crushed by city dwelling aholes and their ideas.
Anyway. :p

I don’t care so much. I just find it hypocritical of him to be judging so many areas of the UK as critically as he has, making some pretty dumb comments about the likes of Birmingham.
 
And reading that thread shows the opposite? Unless xenophobia means we have to accept everyone and let them ruin our culture? One of thr comments on that thread summed it up nicely.

It doesn’t show the opposite at all, you seem to have a knack for selective reading and quoting.

If you make comments on here about people coming to the UK and “ruining our culture” we all know how it goes. It’s like some countries are given a free pass for it but the UK has to have a higher standard.
 
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Well most UK cities are s holes so I can't really disagree with him :p
But it's unlikely anyone earning 50k will be living in the crap parts of them...
 
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From working out how much literally everything has increased by since I started working in 2009, the uk median salary should be at least £43k by now.

So, I would say at least £43k.

Unfortunately we have all been royally **** in the ass by greedy rich people and years of Tory rule.


That's just not how the world works anymore, countries don't live within their means. For 30 years now governments have been paying for things by printing money, lots of money and all that printing creates massive inflation and someone has to pay for that inflation and that is you, you the worker and tax payer has the burden of inflation eating away at the value of your income

At the end of the day, while everyone here is making the mistake of discussing how much money they need, what they should be asking is how much stuff can I buy, because that's what actually matters and inflation gives us less stuff
 
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I don’t care so much. I just find it hypocritical of him to be judging so many areas of the UK as critically as he has, making some pretty dumb comments about the likes of Birmingham.



It doesn’t show the opposite at all, you seem to have a knack for selective reading and quoting.

Still waiting to hear about this abuse which took place.

That wasn’t the point he was making in many of his comments.

Really? Is English not your Muttersprache? Haha
 
"A hellish time with the looks he was getting". Wow, there is precious and then there is precious. Where did this happen as I simply don't believe it. Major cities are very multicultural and the countryside loves the tourism.

The only caveat is if he was breaking rules which is frowned upon with everyone. ;) *


*and for lots of people they don't realise they were even rules in the first place so understandable.



So you do wear lycra? Feel free to pick it out if you've got your knickers in a twist over my comment.



Gee, I wonder why I didn't want to have to isolate for 2 weeks.......



Those pesky clean people.



Halts maul Austrian :D , that's the pot calling the kettle black haha.

Switzerland. Being stuck in a 1930’s village bored to tears with people that love boring things.

Zurich. A city full of boring cocaine addicts.
 
So you do wear lycra? Feel free to pick it out if you've got your knickers in a twist over my comment.
The fact your asking again means it's relevant to you... which is kind of the point I was making, no? You were suggesting my opinion is valid or not based on if I wear lycra, shave my legs and ride three abreast, or some nonsense along those lines.
 
but doubling everyone's mortgage and rent doesn't...?

:confused:

My mortgage increase will dwarf any of the other prices rises.


Your mortgage cost rises are to pay for all the money your government has printed over the last two years, it's not rocket science
 
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How is saying you don’t need to visit Bangladesh because you’ve visited Birmingham a criticism of the city rather than the people?

I thought I said Pakistan? Bit racist to imply they're all the same....

Switzerland. Being stuck in a 1930’s village bored to tears with people that love boring things.

Zurich. A city full of boring cocaine addicts.

How can a place be boring if we enjoy cocaine so much? :D
 
No, it most certainly isn't....

Unfortunately it's not unique either; people in UK can hate on their political party but they just about every country in Europe, North America and Australia have printed bucket loads of money and now their society is paying the cost, in some cases with double digit interest rates. When it comes to finance, the books needs to balance - if the Government prints money it's not free, they are essentially borrowing money from society and society will have to pay the cost, congratulations
 
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