What RAM are you getting/bought for Ryzen

muon · 10 Apr 2017 at 18:34

Installed a pair now and also showing up as Samsung 8Gb ICs.

Dark Pro at 3200 looks like the cheapest Samsung 8Gb B-Die IC memory in the UK at the moment.

An added benefit is that it runs CL14 with ease.

Zeed · 10 Apr 2017 at 19:32

muon said:
Installed a pair now and also showing up as Samsung 8Gb ICs.

Dark Pro at 3200 looks like the cheapest Samsung 8Gb B-Die IC memory in the UK at the moment.

An added benefit is that it runs CL14 with ease.

Indeed. Id say thats a Pass

Random Guy Esq. · 10 Apr 2017 at 20:25

Is this the same stuff, just in a different colour?

keybaud · 10 Apr 2017 at 22:21

muon said:
That's ********. The memory won't be forcing a base clock change.

You can see in the screenshot the CPU is affected by the bclk change.

Ignoring the screenshot, if the memory is somehow applying a multiplier, then the motherboard wouldn't see it. Since there are youtube videos of this RAM being used for manual clocking, that is again wrong.

That doesn't make sense. The memory timings are read from the memory unless over-ridden, so why isn't bclk. I assume bclk = base clock speed. Why can't Trident Z have a default bclk of 100 and the new RAM a default bclk of 120? If the bclk can be changed in the BIOS/UEFI, then this doesn't matter, hence my question; however, I don't know how RAM is overclocked. Do you raise the bclk or the multiplier or both? If high multipliers are causing issues are people using high bclks with lower multipliers to get the RAM stable?

muon · 11 Apr 2017 at 08:40

Random Guy Esq. said:
Is this the same stuff, just in a different colour?

That is what I bought.

keybaud said:
That doesn't make sense. The memory timings are read from the memory unless over-ridden, so why isn't bclk. I assume bclk = base clock speed. Why can't Trident Z have a default bclk of 100 and the new RAM a default bclk of 120? If the bclk can be changed in the BIOS/UEFI, then this doesn't matter, hence my question; however, I don't know how RAM is overclocked. Do you raise the bclk or the multiplier or both? If high multipliers are causing issues are people using high bclks with lower multipliers to get the RAM stable?

The motherboard controls both the timings and the memory clockspeed. So in order to run at 3200mhz whilst still convincing the motherboard it is running at 2666mhz, then it has to apply a hidden 1.2 multiplier in some way not visible to the motherboard. If the motherboard actually adjusts the bclk then it will adjust the bclk for the CPU as well resulting in a sudden overclock.

Random Guy Esq. · 11 Apr 2017 at 11:52

Cheers muon.

Scottland · 11 Apr 2017 at 15:57

Can't get past 2133 with the Corsair Dominator (3000MHz) I have, so have ordered some of that Team Group stuff to see how that fairs.

Zeed · 11 Apr 2017 at 18:05

Scottland said:
Can't get past 2133 with the Corsair Dominator (3000MHz) I have, so have ordered some of that Team Group stuff to see how that fairs.

Could have told ya they wont work without ordering.

Scottland · 11 Apr 2017 at 19:47

The Corsair? I already had that so was reusing it.

Michael Davies · 11 Apr 2017 at 21:57

So guys , please tell this newbie what 16gb memory from oc's you recommend I buy, don't know much about all this techie stuff lol.
Ryzen 1700
Asus ch6
Thanks

RGAF · 12 Apr 2017 at 00:14

Bought the TeamGroup 32GB 3000 2x16 kit from here a few weeks back and now have it running on a ASUS B350 Plus at 2933 DOCP. Had to up the voltage to 1.375. Running BIOS 0515. Could be a mixture of latest BIOS or just giving a bit more juice but have run tests for a few hours and no crashes.

Scottland · 12 Apr 2017 at 16:55

Team Group 3200 running at 3200 so far, and touch wood no problems.

Relentless81 · 12 Apr 2017 at 17:23

I created this thread and its been interesting reading peoples posts. I was set on G.Skill as I knew I wanted Samsung based RAM but with Lord Zed's discovery I ended up ordering Team Group 3200 C16 and I'm really hoping its not a case of some are and some aren't. The RAM has arrived and I'll be installing it tonight so we'll see.

old gamer · 12 Apr 2017 at 17:41

Relentless81 said:
I created this thread and its been interesting reading peoples posts. I was set on G.Skill as I knew I wanted Samsung based RAM but with Lord Zed's discovery I ended up ordering Team Group 3200 C16 and I'm really hoping its not a case of some are and some aren't. The RAM has arrived and I'll be installing it tonight so we'll see.

Intrested In how you get on, might get this ram also

ben90 · 12 Apr 2017 at 17:47

Relentless81 said:
I created this thread and its been interesting reading peoples posts. I was set on G.Skill as I knew I wanted Samsung based RAM but with Lord Zed's discovery I ended up ordering Team Group 3200 C16 and I'm really hoping its not a case of some are and some aren't. The RAM has arrived and I'll be installing it tonight so we'll see.

Eagerly awaiting your results.

keybaud · 12 Apr 2017 at 19:18

muon said:
That is what I bought.

The motherboard controls both the timings and the memory clockspeed. So in order to run at 3200mhz whilst still convincing the motherboard it is running at 2666mhz, then it has to apply a hidden 1.2 multiplier in some way not visible to the motherboard. If the motherboard actually adjusts the bclk then it will adjust the bclk for the CPU as well resulting in a sudden overclock.

But the motherboard gets the timings from the memory itself; however, it doesn't have to use them. You can see these in CPU-Z pretty easily.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviewimages/crucial-ballistix-sodimm-16gb-kit/cpuz.jpg

http://aphnetworks.com/review/patriot_viper_ii_sector_5_pc3_12800_2x2gb/cpuz.png

Scottland · 12 Apr 2017 at 19:44

I'm at ~3300 (3200 with 103 base clock) so far with the TG Dark Pro. Still on fairly loose timings but will push the speed before I try to tighten them any more. I was going to wait for the Xtreem if I could have gotten my dominator's to even post at 2667, but so far so good on these.

muon · 12 Apr 2017 at 19:51

keybaud said:
But the motherboard gets the timings from the memory itself; however, it doesn't have to use them. You can see these in CPU-Z pretty easily.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviewimages/crucial-ballistix-sodimm-16gb-kit/cpuz.jpg

http://aphnetworks.com/review/patriot_viper_ii_sector_5_pc3_12800_2x2gb/cpuz.png

I'm not sure what you are getting at. It can use the JEDEC or XMP timings or not.

There is no BCLK the motherboard sets for the memory alone. If it ups the BCLK then it is performing BCLK overclocking.

There is no way the AMD FLare X kit is automatically performing BCLK overclocking as that would overclock the CPU 1.2x and create a number of other issues.

muon · 12 Apr 2017 at 19:54

RGAF said:
Bought the TeamGroup 32GB 3000 2x16 kit from here a few weeks back and now have it running on a ASUS B350 Plus at 2933 DOCP. Had to up the voltage to 1.375. Running BIOS 0515. Could be a mixture of latest BIOS or just giving a bit more juice but have run tests for a few hours and no crashes.

That would have to be double sided. So far Ryzen and Ryzen motherboards like single sided sticks best.

Relentless81 · 12 Apr 2017 at 22:11

old gamer said:
Intrested In how you get on, might get this ram also

ben90 said:
Eagerly awaiting your results.

Only just booted it up but with a Gigabyte B350 set XMP and 3200 C16 no issues so far